Curley Hallman on Fulmer and Pruitt

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GVol1966 said:
You’re joking right? No blue font?
Overachievement? In a season he lost to Geo St? So now we’re considering beating teams worse than us like we should overarching?
Because that’s all the win streak was, beating teams we should of beat!
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No blue font. That team was talent deficient past the first string, and it showed when Bituli couldn’t go in those games. When he was back we flirted with disaster only an injury away.
 
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BeardedVol said:
I'll ask again, when has the "stay the course" plan actually paid off for any of the previous ADs who were faced with an underperforming coach and chose the "unpopular" option of giving the coach more time?
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I reject your premise as flawed. I refuse to answer your compound question. I don’t believe it’s been attempted since the 70’s or early 80’s at UT. Even then the hole wasn’t as deep as it is now.

I think we’re off the edge of the suck map, and discourage mutiny against the Captain.
 
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tennrich1 said:
My understanding of many Volnation posters really came into focus when I realized some REALLY DO THINK they know as much/more than a current/former coach in the SEC. They really do. And the truth is for most of us if we were sitting in the game planning meeting on any given week we would not even understand the terminology much less how to scheme spacing/mismatching to defeat another SEC team. It really is entertaining when you realize that truth. I've said before I live in a family of former SEC players and Coordinators and to watch a game with them is like an "out of body" experience. They speak of things I simply DO NOT UNDERSTAND. But its still entertaining.
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You couldn't be any further from the truth even if you wanted to be. You honestly believe they come up with some super secret terminology that is unfathomable except for the truly skilled, elite coaches? The "terminology" you are referring to is simply the phraseology they use for their individual plays. I can assure you they still cover many of the same basic skills most high school coaches incorporate during summer and fall camps. You have this illusion that simply because a coach is at the collegiate level then he is a coaching genius. It simply isn't true, most have far less experience than many high school coaches. Most are simply ex players who worked their way up through the GA ranks. Are there some truly great coaches out there? Absolutely, but nothing about Jeremy Pruitt screams genius coaching prodigy. I have worked with several college athletes and they will tell you the same things. Many college coaches simply have access to better equipment, resources, and facilities.
 
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BeardedVol said:
In comparison to Georgia State, and BYU? You believe that UT was "talent deficient" in reference to those teams?
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Past the first string, the ability was equivalent, and it showed in the play in both games.

BYU will kick anyone’s a$$ who doesn’t beat them in any given year. Same as UK did this year.
 
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kcvols1 said:
Past the first string, the ability was equivalent, and it showed in the play in both games.

BYU will kick anyone’s a$$ who doesn’t beat them in any given year. Same as UK did this year.
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Just when you thought this thread couldn't get any better then this gem shows up.
 
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LittleVol said:
To his defense he did have a winning record at Southern miss. Even had a 10-2 season.
But he never improved record wise. Finished 39-39 overall

He makes some good points. He's right about creating chemistry. LSU was missing that this year too.

My problem with Pruitt is that...it took probably someone threatening his job to bench JG.
And now that Bailey is finally getting to play, Pruitt is STILL creating an unstable environment for the QBs.
Make one mistake and you get pulled. He did that to Shrout and Bailey last game. He did it to Brian last season.
And it holds back the maturation of the offense.

He doesn't respect... or possess that ability to cultivate the most important position in football. And that IS a problem.

I'm taking UT to beat the Aggies tomorrow. And if that happens...I still want Pruitt gone.

There's been to many unnecessary losses ( Ga state 19, BYU 19, UK 20, Ark 20).
All because of insanity basically. he would have finished 10-3 in 2019 and would be 5-4 this season. And i'll go ahead and say 6-3. We beat Auburn if we had any other QB playing that game. Those 4 -5 games are the issue here...

Pruitt doesn't seem like a guy that can adapt enough all-around to win big time here.

His recruiting was phenomenal in 19 and 20. But his inability to put it all together as a product has now impacted that great recruiting in 21 and moving forward.
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Bailey and JT were scheduled to rotate during the game and they both knew it beforehand. It was a competition and one of the few right calls Pruitt has made while he has been here. Pruitt did not create an unstable environment in this instance.
 
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tennrich1 said:
My understanding of many Volnation posters really came into focus when I realized some REALLY DO THINK they know as much/more than a current/former coach in the SEC. They really do. And the truth is for most of us if we were sitting in the game planning meeting on any given week we would not even understand the terminology much less how to scheme spacing/mismatching to defeat another SEC team. It really is entertaining when you realize that truth. I've said before I live in a family of former SEC players and Coordinators and to watch a game with them is like an "out of body" experience. They speak of things I simply DO NOT UNDERSTAND. But its still entertaining.
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But most people can understand basic bias. If you ask a coach who himself got canned for underperformance if he believes coaches should get more time, what did you actually think his answer was going to be? You also have a guy who coached in a completely different era when almost nobody cared about college football on the national landscape, and when absolutely nobody cared about LSU football. So a coach could fly under the radar for a very long time doing a poor job and not making much money compared to today. He could not possible understand today's hyper competitive landscape. Quite frankly I dont think Fulmer could either.

You don't have to be impressed by someone's ability to know Xs and Os if you understand how people work and how management and performance work in any organization.

I do not think that I know how to coach more than a former coach does. That's a completely irrelevant straw man argument. What I know is that this is irrelevant to being able to tell if a coach is doing his job effectively for the money he makes.

I bet if you blind polled all the CURRENT SEC coaches on whether they thought Tennessee's program was in better shape now than in 2017, you would find that they think it is not.
 
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I just read the wikipedia on Coach Hallman

What a disaster that guy was. And he was better still than Pruitt. He actually beat Bama LOL
 
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rikberry31 said:
I don't get why people don't understand this. They must be kids or just clueless,
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Look, I don’t dislike JP. But I also know the best leaders/coaches get their players/subordinates to perform at their best. I have yet to see a leader or coach succeed when his team quit trying. I have never seen or been around a successful coach or leader who didn’t evaluate on actual game or real time performance. JP doesn’t demand a high level of in-game performance , consistent throughout the team, and it shows in their attitude and play.. He is a great DC, with great players, but that can’t be said for his defense at UT. Lastly, I’ve watched him and he’s changed and I honestly think he is not enjoying being a HC. If he is retained, I hope he proves me wrong, but I sincerely doubt he will. Past performance is the best indicator of future success.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Are we seriously trying to justify losing to Georgia St & BYU?

Lmao
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Thought it was a free form discussion of why it happened.

I think it happened because of key injuries and poor play by our guys. It’s up for debate as to why they played bad, of course.
 
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tnutater said:
I disagree, our VolNation arm chair coaches are the best in football.
Check their stats.
I hope that we can keep enough posters to keep VolNation viable next year when they all get jobs at P5 schools and get too busy to post their knowledge.
Losing the arm chair coaches and the couch ADs who know so much about hiring coaches may be more than Freak can overcome. It is difficult to keep such talent.
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It's amazing to me our AD can screw up in every way imaginable for an entire decade and people will still make this tired appeal to authority. Over and over and over and over.

The concept of incompetent people who are dumber than the average bear occupying positions of power does not even register as a possibility with you guys does it?
 
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tennrich1 said:
My understanding of many Volnation posters really came into focus when I realized some REALLY DO THINK they know as much/more than a current/former coach in the SEC. They really do. And the truth is for most of us if we were sitting in the game planning meeting on any given week we would not even understand the terminology much less how to scheme spacing/mismatching to defeat another SEC team. It really is entertaining when you realize that truth. I've said before I live in a family of former SEC players and Coordinators and to watch a game with them is like an "out of body" experience. They speak of things I simply DO NOT UNDERSTAND. But its still entertaining.
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You are giving the coaching profession to much intellectual credit! However, if teams continue to pay failure with 20+ million, the IQ quotient will start to rise.
 
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kcvols1 said:
Thought it was a free form discussion of why it happened.

I think it happened because of key injuries and poor play by our guys. It’s up for debate as to why they played bad, of course.
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Pruitt had his team unprepared.

Georgia St was more physical and better coached in that game.
 
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Hallman ... lol. I thought LSU always sucked when I really became a die hard fan in 90’s before internet wasn’t widely available. I remember every time we played LSU it was a guaranteed win.
 
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landscapingvol said:
You couldn't be any further from the truth even if you wanted to be. You honestly believe they come up with some super secret terminology that is unfathomable except for the truly skilled, elite coaches? The "terminology" you are referring to is simply the phraseology they use for their individual plays. I can assure you they still cover many of the same basic skills most high school coaches incorporate during summer and fall camps. You have this illusion that simply because a coach is at the collegiate level then he is a coaching genius. It simply isn't true, most have far less experience than many high school coaches. Most are simply ex players who worked their way up through the GA ranks. Are there some truly great coaches out there? Absolutely, but nothing about Jeremy Pruitt screams genius coaching prodigy. I have worked with several college athletes and they will tell you the same things. Many college coaches simply have access to better equipment, resources, and facilities.
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Hahaha...folks I think this is where the prosecution says to the court...”your honor the state rest it’s case”!! 😂😂😂😂😂 That is too beautiful!
 
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kcvols1 said:
Thought it was a free form discussion of why it happened.

I think it happened because of key injuries and poor play by our guys. It’s up for debate as to why they played bad, of course.
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We were an SEC team with 9 months to prepare, and we got dominated by Georgia St. If that’s not a failure of the head coach, I don’t know what it. Pruitt is getting his a$$ kicked week in week out in year 3. I’m really getting sick of the 5-7 year rebuild talk when other programs are getting it done much quicker. It’s time to move on, there’s talent on the roster, and the right hire will start by not getting embarrassed by non conference opponents, then proceed to whip the teams we should (Vand, KY, and USC) then win one we shouldn’t, and it can all be done in the first year with the right coach.
 
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Mightyvol said:
Look, I don’t dislike JP. But I also know the best leaders/coaches get their players/subordinates to perform at their best. I have yet to see a leader or coach succeed when his team quit trying. I have never seen or been around a successful coach or leader who didn’t evaluate on actual game or real time performance. JP doesn’t demand a high level of in-game performance , consistent throughout the team, and it shows in their attitude and play.. He is a great DC, with great players, but that can’t be said for his defense at UT. Lastly, I’ve watched him and he’s changed and I honestly think he is not enjoying being a HC. If he is retained, I hope he proves me wrong, but I sincerely doubt he will. Past performance is the best indicator of future success.
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This team certainly has not quit they have played hard to then in every game. And you really don't understand CJP if you think he doesn't demand a high level of performance. I will agree he is not having a lot of fun right now, he hates losing.
 
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I don’t think this article is written if something is not going on behind the scene.
 
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