Coaching carousel going to be historic

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05_never_again said:
They're marching down the path to having a Schiano Sunday-type coaching search. I still don't think any coaching search will exceed that insanity until fans on Twitter (and some state politicians) apply enough pressure to stop the hiring, but that looks like it could get wild. He also mentioned BK's buyout and how they aren't going to do that again. Sounds like they might get pressure from the Governor to go the cheap route, which I'm sure will be very popular.

If Woodward isn't even going to be allowed to hire a football coach, what is he even doing there then?
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My guess is this whole season of coaching firings is going to lead to a new model for coaching contracts. The buyouts are unsustainable. So I could see it going to performance based contracts with lucrative incentives. and higher base salaries with smaller buyout numbers.

Also - Woodward should not be in a position to make contract terms. He clearly has screwed over two schools.


Like Heupel gets the following. I think those incentives will just double or triple and buyouts will be lower. Because at the end of the day, if Heupel was to win a title here, him getting a 3-4 million dollar bonus would be peanuts compared to making $9m annually + a million dollar bonus would be nothing compared to the revenue a title season would generate.

College Football Playoff (CFP) bonuses
  • CFP appearance: $200,000
  • CFP Quarterfinal: $250,000
  • CFP Semifinal: $300,000
  • CFP National Championship appearance: $400,000
  • National Championship win: $1,000,000

Final ranking bonuses
  • Top 10 in any major poll: $100,000
  • Top 5 in any major poll: $150,000 (in addition to the top-10 bonus)
  • Top 25 in any major poll: $50,000
  • Non-CFP bowl game: $100,000
 
#153
#153
JMSqb11 said:
My guess is this whole season of coaching firings is going to lead to a new model for coaching contracts. The buyouts are unsustainable. So I could see it going to performance based contracts with lucrative incentives. and higher base salaries with smaller buyout numbers.

Also - Woodward should not be in a position to make contract terms. He clearly has screwed over two schools.


Like Heupel gets the following. I think those incentives will just double or triple and buyouts will be lower. Because at the end of the day, if Heupel was to win a title here, him getting a 3-4 million dollar bonus would be peanuts compared to making $9m annually + a million dollar bonus would be nothing compared to the revenue a title season would generate.

College Football Playoff (CFP) bonuses
  • CFP appearance: $200,000
  • CFP Quarterfinal: $250,000
  • CFP Semifinal: $300,000
  • CFP National Championship appearance: $400,000
  • National Championship win: $1,000,000

Final ranking bonuses
  • Top 10 in any major poll: $100,000
  • Top 5 in any major poll: $150,000 (in addition to the top-10 bonus)
  • Top 25 in any major poll: $50,000
  • Non-CFP bowl game: $100,000
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I've been thinking/saying that for years, but I guess the schools just don't have the market power/leverage to get what they want as far as that pricing. The demand for great football coaches greatly outstrips the supply of them.

Thing is...a contract that paid a national title-winning coach $20m during a season in which they win the title, which is way more than what any coach is currently making per season, would be worth every penny. UT would gladly pay Heupel that if he brought home a title. But he'd need to make like $3.5m during a season where we went 7-5, and I don't think the schools have the leverage to get coaches to accept that.

And the buyouts, as you stated, are absolutely insane. I know the coaches have tremendous leverage in these negotiations, but why a school 100% (or 90%, or even 75%) guarantees a coach's contract will never make sense to me. You've just completely removed any incentive for the coach to keep grinding.
 
#154
#154
05_never_again said:
I've been thinking/saying that for years, but I guess the schools just don't have the market power/leverage to get what they want as far as that pricing. The demand for great football coaches greatly outstrips the supply of them.

Thing is...a contract that paid a national title-winning coach $20m during a season in which they win the title, which is way more than what any coach is currently making per season, would be worth every penny. UT would gladly pay Heupel that if he brought home a title. But he'd need to make like $3.5m during a season where we went 7-5, and I don't think the schools have the leverage to get coaches to accept that.

And the buyouts, as you stated, are absolutely insane. I know the coaches have tremendous leverage in these negotiations, but why a school 100% (or 90%, or even 75%) guarantees a coach's contract will never make sense to me. You've just completely removed any incentive for the coach to keep grinding.
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I made this argument in 2017 after Schiano Sunday when we were down to Doeren, Pruitt, and Tucker all while Kiffin was going on media saying he wanted the job. People were like “he’ll leave us high and dry again” to which I said just make the contract so lucrative for him if he wins here while protecting us with a big buyout if he leaves. Essentially you tell him “you can come back to Tennessee, have a contract that will make you highest paid coach by a landslide if you win, or you can stay at FAU making peanuts.”

But on a grand scheme, paying a coach $4-5m annually with crazy incentives for playoff appearances, natty appearance, and natty victory totally almost 2-3x would make coaches want to perform.

But these firing buyouts are getting insane and unsustainable. My fear is this year’s massacre is gonna lead to coaches negotiating extensions with bigger buyouts than we are in shock of right now.
 
#155
#155
LIvol said:
I think we are looking at:

James Franklin to FSU
Jon Summeral to LSU
Brian Hartline to PSU but prepare for a recruiting machine of coaches picked from every program, he won't be paid more then 6 million (Franklin got I think about 8.5 which allocates tons of money for a giant tip tier assistant pool) I'm talking Corey Raymond, Larry Johnson, Jeff Hafley, Guerreri I mean you name it he is going to come)
Grubb to Kentucky
Dan Mullen to UCLA
Fran Brown to Auburn


Maybe Arbuckle or Colin Klein over to Ole Miss, kinda hard to gauge as they are definitely looking in the 2nd tier after being a top 5 team at end of season

I think Kiffin might get paid something big and the incentives for his staff to go to UF

Ole Miss will be hard pressed to match as I think UF is dealing with what UT dealt with before Heupel. Constant stream of bad hires and not maximizing potential of some very good players ...
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You'd be more likely to see Mullen stay in Vegas atop the MWC, with a nice view from the office before you see him head straight to the bottom of the B10 with no hope of ever rising above #19 in conference.
 
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#156
#156
LIvol said:
I think we are looking at:

James Franklin to FSU
Jon Summeral to LSU
Brian Hartline to PSU but prepare for a recruiting machine of coaches picked from every program, he won't be paid more then 6 million (Franklin got I think about 8.5 which allocates tons of money for a giant tip tier assistant pool) I'm talking Corey Raymond, Larry Johnson, Jeff Hafley, Guerreri I mean you name it he is going to come)
Grubb to Kentucky
Dan Mullen to UCLA
Fran Brown to Auburn


Maybe Arbuckle or Colin Klein over to Ole Miss, kinda hard to gauge as they are definitely looking in the 2nd tier after being a top 5 team at end of season

I think Kiffin might get paid something big and the incentives for his staff to go to UF

Ole Miss will be hard pressed to match as I think UF is dealing with what UT dealt with before Heupel. Constant stream of bad hires and not maximizing potential of some very good players ...
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There will be no money issue for Ole Miss if a bidding war starts with UF. There is virtually nothing UF offers that Ole Miss can't give besides geography
 
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#158
superdave1984 said:
Matt Rhule signed an extension to stay at Nebraska
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Shocked at that. I really am.

I still think Penn State is going to come out of this search in the best shape.

I don't think Kiffin leaves Oxford so that leaves UF / LSU scrambling.

LSU is the best vacant job, but I think Penn State will get most stable hire.
 
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#160
Vol423 said:
Crazy! He sucks. I was hoping he would move on to destroy Penn State.
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Ped State is already going to be down to their third choice.

Cignetti got wrapped up, and now Rhule. And I think Rhule was already a bad choice, he is basically a worse version of Franklin.
 
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#161
LouderVol said:
Ped State is already going to be down to their third choice.

Cignetti got wrapped up, and now Rhule. And I think Rhule was already a bad choice, he is basically a worse version of Franklin.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Penn St. go for Brian Hartline and have him try tp bring a recruiting machine full of assistants with him.
Just try to get a who's who of the top recruiting assitant coaches if he can.
 
#162
#162
JMSqb11 said:
There will be no money issue for Ole Miss if a bidding war starts with UF. There is virtually nothing UF offers that Ole Miss can't give besides geography
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And his past distractions with campus scenery is just as formidable at UM as well, so no leg up for UF there.
 
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