CBS Sports: Butch Jones is in trouble

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He is! He has lost a large portion of the fan base and they are calling for him to be fired. I think he is on thin ice, I'm not ready to say fire him, but I will say he has got to figure some stuff out, before he starts losing players. We are two game into the season( I don't count BGSU and WC) with 7 games that matter( I don't count NT) left, 4 of the 7 I think we roll over as long as the fan base don't poison the players and coaches with desperate thinking and actions, the SEC east is wide open.
GO VOLS!
 
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Fire everyone ! From admin on down. Clean house. Our entire AD is a damn bad joke. :jpshakehead:
 
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If Peyton retires this year, will he be a candidate in the coaching search if butch gets the ax??
 
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Peyton has repeatedly said he doesn't want to be a head coach, but would look into QB coaching possibly.

Chip Kelly would be at the top of the coaching list in my mind, has shown his schemes haven't/aren't translating to the NFL, much like Saban in Miami I think he is much better suited for the college game. This would be my first coaching flyer to see if there might be mutual interest there.
 
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WesternKyVol said:
The garbage that was coming out in support of Butch before the season was way premature.

Similarly, the decision to give Butch a raise this past off season was about as short-sighted a decision as you'll ever see.
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People do that with every coach we have. How about on the field success first, as in an East title at the minimum.
 
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TNinSC said:
He SKYROCKETED on coacheshotseat.com

Coaches Hot Seat 2015
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Out of that top 10 I am willing to bet at least 5 of those hot seats are not real and only exist on message boards. Jones, Malzahn, Strong, Helfrich, and Bielema are not getting fired this year unless something drastic happens. I will say there is a good chance Jones (unless he makes the proper changes) seat will be hot next year.

JettVol said:
Peyton has repeatedly said he doesn't want to be a head coach, but would look into QB coaching possibly.
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Peyton would be an idiot to take a coaching job at Tennessee.
 
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Sic'em Smokey said:
The serious underlying problem with Butch is that he doesn't believe in himself and it shows in several ways. He can't answer a question straight up without relying on the "safety net" of his coach speak sayings. He can't make an in-game decision without relying on the "safety net" of his chart. He can't hire an O Coordinator without relying on the "safety net" of hiring his previous mentor. He can call a few "risky" plays when he's behind because he has nothing to lose, in his mind, but once he gets a lead or feels "invested in victory" as he likes to say, he plays to "protect his hand." He doesn't have the belief in himself or the courage to take the risk in order to seize the opportunities provided to him. This is scary because we can now see how this effects his ability to take responibility for the bottom line. He blames the chart or youth/immaturity, something, anything else besides himself. He feeds the delusion that if he sticks to said chart or his coach speak "fundementals," he can do no wrong. The fact that he can shamelessly and righteously defend himself claiming a chart told him to make a decision is scary. That's not a leader mentality. IMO Butch has "put his identity on video" and until he decides to man-up and take responsibility for the team and stop reaching for excuses, then we will be seeing more of the same no matter if he gets enough talent to get to consistent 9,10,11 win seasons. That being said I love Butch as a person and am thankful for what he HAS done thus far and I hope he can bring us many championships, I just don't expect him to at this point.
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Perfect post. Exactly how I feel.
 
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Anyone who thinks Peyton Manning is coming back to coach QBs at Tennessee is nutty as a Christmas fruitcake.....yeah I know he said he would like to but this guy is used to making $20+ million a year, he has endorsement contracts running out his nose and will probably continue to have those after he retires. He's the biggest sports marketing name since Jordon.

I often said I wouldn't mind coaching high school baseball but Im not about to sell my business, lose a couple hundred thousand a year in income to do it.....
 
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He_Made_It said:
If they lose to UGA and Bama, but go 8-4, what say you?
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Let's extrapolate. So we have to beat Alabama for Jones to keep his job. In a year where 8-4 was the benchmark. Say he goes 6-2 by some accident we end up in Atlanta. Fire him then?Really clever insight by some online coaches.
 
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JohnnyBall said:
Let's extrapolate. So we have to beat Alabama for Jones to keep his job. In a year where 8-4 was the benchmark. Say he goes 6-2 by some accident we end up in Atlanta. Fire him then?Really clever insight by some online coaches.
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The online coaches look pretty good right now and they're a damn sight cheaper. :crazy:
 
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VOLnMiami said:
No he wouldn't...He has more talent at UTAH than we do here right now...UTAH wold clean our clocks.
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He doesn't have more talent then us. He has players that he has coached up and made into a very good team. If he came here and coached up the talent we have and kept getting similar players, we would be great. He would beat Our rivals and bring a natty back to Knoxville.
 
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kamoshika said:
Not that UT fans need to hear this, since we're living it, but Jones' reputation nationally has taken a huge hit this month:

1. Butch Jones is in trouble. Understand what I mean by this after Tennessee blew another late lead, lost another game it controlled and fell once again to Florida (make it 11 straight losses and counting). I'm not saying Jones will or should be fired after this year. But is Jones in trouble? Yes. He may continue to point to strong recruiting classes on signing day and preach about next year. The problem is Tennessee fans don't want to hear it when Jones' teams inexplicably blow leads. That's two losses this month that were games Tennessee should have won. Florida's Jim McElwain out-coached Jones and won a game even the Gators' coach said his team didn't deserve.
College Football Rewind: Seismic shift in Pac-12, Butch Jones in trouble - CBSSports.com

Hard to believe how much has changed since this article came out on Sept. 10th, but two enormous debacles will do that:
The Cult of Butch: Vols believe Jones is leading return to prominence - CBSSports.com
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as long as cheek and hart run the show Tennessee sports will always be a dumpster fire.
 
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Sic'em Smokey said:
The serious underlying problem with Butch is that he doesn't believe in himself and it shows in several ways. He can't answer a question straight up without relying on the "safety net" of his coach speak sayings. He can't make an in-game decision without relying on the "safety net" of his chart. He can't hire an O Coordinator without relying on the "safety net" of hiring his previous mentor. He can call a few "risky" plays when he's behind because he has nothing to lose, in his mind, but once he gets a lead or feels "invested in victory" as he likes to say, he plays to "protect his hand." He doesn't have the belief in himself or the courage to take the risk in order to seize the opportunities provided to him. This is scary because we can now see how this effects his ability to take responibility for the bottom line. He blames the chart or youth/immaturity, something, anything else besides himself. He feeds the delusion that if he sticks to said chart or his coach speak "fundementals," he can do no wrong. The fact that he can shamelessly and righteously defend himself claiming a chart told him to make a decision is scary. That's not a leader mentality. IMO Butch has "put his identity on video" and until he decides to man-up and take responsibility for the team and stop reaching for excuses, then we will be seeing more of the same no matter if he gets enough talent to get to consistent 9,10,11 win seasons. That being said I love Butch as a person and am thankful for what he HAS done thus far and I hope he can bring us many championships, I just don't expect him to at this point.
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I agree.
 
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TGVol said:
It would be enough for me under condition that Butch brings in another top 10 class. However I think that is very doubtful now when recruits will know he is on hot seat - competitors will make sure to point that out, and also to point out to QB and WR prospects that his system will not utilize them and/or put them into NFL.
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I'm guessing,but the only hot seat that CBJ is on,is the one that the Fans have put under him,I can't see Bama Dave firing him for several years and that is if he isn't improving the team from year to year as he has been doing

all CBJ has to say is,look at who we have coming in,don't you want to be a part of that ? and we have plenty of playing time available
 
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TNinSC said:
He SKYROCKETED on coacheshotseat.com

Coaches Hot Seat 2015
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I would bet within 3 years over half of the top five on this list will be fired.

Strong is gone for sure.

Malzahn is the only one who I think isn't actually hot and will turn it around.

ARK coach will be fired sooner or later.

And Virginias coach is dead man walking.

Oregons coach is in deep waters too.
 
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1...When coaches get fired there IS always good players that transfer out so we WOULD lose some of our best players that came to play for buTch and this staff.

That leave our player roster not as good as we have now.

Also recruits that are commits now would also change their minds and sign somewhere else and that would make our player roster even weaker.

2...When AD Hamilton was fired and AD Hart replaced him our AD was basically bankrupt plus we ARE still paying CDD for his huge buyout so we do NOT have the money to pay a buyout for buTch and this staff.

3...Since Fulmer was fired Tennessee now has a national reputation as a coaching merry-go-round where no coach is ever given enough time to recruit at least 4 or 5 years of his type of players to match the systems and rebuild the program back up to a top 10 team where our rabid fans expects us to be every year.

4...In the NFL the Oakland Raiders have the reputation of where coaches go to destroy their Head Coaching career and now, unfortunately, Tennessee has that same reputation in the college world.

The ONLY way that buTch would get fired is if the huge money boosters agreed to put up the many millions of $$$ if will take to buyout the contract that buTch and staff have now AND if they agreed to put up many Millions of $$$ more to throw serious money at a well known, experienced, winning coach that's also proven to be a great recruiter.

College is ALL about great recruiting every year to keep the player roster full of top players at every position and there's NOT many coaches that can bring in top 10 recruiting classes every year consistently enough to stay a top SEC team unfortunately.

Our best bet now is that buTch and staff can get it all together and WIN most of our games this year and bring in another top recruiting class to keep building our player roster.

buTch will finish out his current contract because of a serious lack of money so we also better hope that Neyland keeps selling out every game to help with our AD money worries.

I have to keep remembering that we are only 2 good D plays away from being undefeated and 4-0 right now.

We are a much better footVol team already than we've been in many years and I can only hope that buTch and staff will get it all together fast.

#BrickbyBrick...VFL...GBO!!!
 
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