CBS Sports: Butch Jones is in trouble

#76
#76
I love coming on here and reading all the nonsense. 8-4 is a really good season no matter how you slice it. To think otherwise is just childish.

But keep it coming guys. I need the laugh. I just wish I would go up against many of you in business. I would be filthy rich off your knee jerk absurdity. Awesome.

Man, I would love to be in business against you, someone who will shill for every terrible employee no matter how obviously poor they are in their job. You'd flounder in mismanagement, expecting that, if you just have patience and support your employees, they will magically change into something they've never shown to be.

I think I'd retire to southern Spain.
 
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Yes, we caused the USC job to open up and for Kiffin to end up on their short list. Yes, we're responsible for the hiring of Dooley and actually thinking it would work out. The AD is actually ran by a collection of anonymous posters on VN with names such as Wylo, KBVol, AKMan and BGV. We'll get it corrected.

Thanks, it is refreshing to read a post admitting the relative lack of importance of the "fire the coach" crowd.
 
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Of course not, but if the program is not willing to let a staff and system mature then nothing of any significance will be gained. Occasionally, the team will luck into a good win but a sustained national or conference power will always remain out of reach. Both losses this year can easily be attributed to immaturity.

Coaching immaturity? Everyone now has overwhelming evidence this guy cannot coach. He's stubborn, denies there are schematic problems, deflects and cries 'youth' whenever he can. He's not changing, and granting more time hoping for maturation into a competent coach is naive at best.
 
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A prominent coach wouldn't touch the job with the proverbial 10 foot pole if the administration is gullible enough to fall for the torch and pitchfork routine of VN. After all, that is what started this 8 year old fiasco.

I love how people blame the fans for all the inept decisions by our athletic department and big-time donors. Fulmer was left in the SEC dust 8 years ago with Spurrier, Miles, Saben, and Meyer owning this conference. What makes you think if we had kept him that things would have been any different? After Cut left we could see what kind of coach he was.
 
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Coaching immaturity? Everyone now has overwhelming evidence this guy cannot coach. He's stubborn, denies there are schematic problems, deflects and cries 'youth' whenever he can. He's not changing, and granting more time hoping for maturation into a competent coach is naive at best.

So what do you call the failure to allow a program in transition to mature? Are you ready to start over? After all, I have been advised by several contributors that UT talent is ready to jump ship at seasons end, right? Now, who is naive?
 
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Go talk to LSU and tell me if 8-4 is a "good" season. I would argue that 8-4 seems good to Tennessee fans because we've been bad for so long. This is what chronic losing does to a fanbase.

I live down here in Shreveport and was quietly optimistic about the Vols being a sleeper team in the East this year. With some decent coaching we could have been. The talent is there. Also, I was quiet about my thinking that LSU would have kind of a down year with QB problems and not a lot of WR depth. Sure Dupre is the man, but he's just one dude. I expected Fournette to be good, but damn. Meanwhile, the LSU fans passively sit back and don't say anything about their season expectations, and are once again pleasantly surprised with dominant results on the field. Where are those for Vol fans? Until we start coaching games like we have a pair, we will consistently be proven we don't. Coaches that gamble for the sake of winning usually do. And, if they don't you can't say they weren't trying for the win. At the very least that is a respectable way to coach. Playing scared conveys weakness to an opponent and gives them every reason to believe they are still in it. So, back to the LSU thing, from being a mid range West team to likely West champs. Say what you will about Miles being a bumbling idiot and talking all kinds of crazy ****. But, at the end of the day, he's a damn good football coach. I am ready for one of those to arrive at Tennessee. A game-winning football coach.
 
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A prominent coach not touching this job if we fire one that isn't up to par is a ridiculous concept. Coaches on this level know how this business works and, if you pony up enough money, will take the challenge of a place like Tennessee. The idea that we can't fire a coach until a certain amount of time has passed because we're afraid of who we might be able to get afterwards is beyond stupid.
 
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A prominent coach not touching this job if we fire one that isn't up to par is a ridiculous concept. Coaches on this level know how this business works and, if you pony up enough money, will take the challenge of a place like Tennessee. The idea that we can't fire a coach until a certain amount of time has passed because we're afraid of who we might be able to get afterwards is beyond stupid.

Recent history doesn't support your opinion.
 
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I live down here in Shreveport and was quietly optimistic about the Vols being a sleeper team in the East this year. With some decent coaching we could have been. The talent is there. Also, I was quiet about my thinking that LSU would have kind of a down year with QB problems and not a lot of WR depth. Sure Dupre is the man, but he's just one dude. I expected Fournette to be good, but damn. Meanwhile, the LSU fans passively sit back and don't say anything about their season expectations, and are once again pleasantly surprised with dominant results on the field. Where are those for Vol fans? Until we start coaching games like we have a pair, we will consistently be proven we don't. Coaches that gamble for the sake of winning usually do. And, if they don't you can't say they weren't trying for the win. At the very least that is a respectable way to coach. Playing scared conveys weakness to an opponent and gives them every reason to believe they are still in it. So, back to the LSU thing, from being a mid range West team to likely West champs. Say what you will about Miles being a bumbling idiot and talking all kinds of crazy ****. But, at the end of the day, he's a damn good football coach. I am ready for one of those to arrive at Tennessee. A game-winning football coach.

I live in Lake Charles and I am rather familiar with LSU football. LSU fans complain about HOW they win, not IF they win. Tennessee football is in a much different place than LSU football. The talent gap is closing, but it isn't equivalent yet. Also, as bad as Les Miles has looked at times, he always makes adjustments. It is part of the reason why LSU is such a good second half ball team. Butch Jones lacks this ability and it is killing us.
 
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#86
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The coaching staff has been badly exposed. Debord has no passing scheme and no creativity. This won't be corrected. Debord must be replaced immediately as playcaller and a passing game needs to be installed immediately.

How such incompetence got behind the steering wheel is inexplicable, but if Butch want's to save his job, Debord needs to be relieved immediately.

Debord was brought in specifically to not question Butch who really is the one running the offense (because they have the same offense going back to Central Michigan days). That's the problem - Butch would have to agree to turn that over to someone who would run completely different system and I don't think his ego would ever allow that. Otherwise he would have just kept Chaney (who by the way was great and should have been kept along with Pittman).
 
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And the reason is like the old saying " man can not live by bread alone "

You can't maintain a coaching staff that loses to your rivals. It's the reason Majors was fired. He couldn't beat Bama and he was winning 8 games and sometimes 11 games a year

Majors was not fired because of Bama. There was a lot more at play that led to his ousting.

If you really tho k we should fire a coach that goes 8-4 in year 3 then you need to pony up at the next Booster fundraising dinner.
 
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Recent history doesn't support your opinion.

Recent history says we have morons making hires and continue to make bad hires.

But, no, it's 100% true what I wrote. If you think a quality coach is scared off by a school firing the previous underwhelming coach quickly and then throwing a pile of money at them, then you are living in a world of make believe. A real coach doesn't worry that they are going to fail and, if a coach is bothered by the idea that we will fire an underachieving coach who is being paid obscene amounts of money to coach, then they aren't the right guy and did us a favor by not wasting the three years it would take to fire his rear end, as well.
 
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Kiffins arse! He's responsible for our demise! Besides he's partying big time right now! Haven't you heard the rumors! Butch just needs to make se asst coaching changes now!!! That I believe would satisfy Volnation and players! When's the last time we through down the field! That tells you something! All these great reveivers sitting on the bench keeping it warm!
 
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I live in Lake Charles and I am rather familiar with LSU football. LSU fans complain about HOW they win, not IF they win. Tennessee football is in a much different place than LSU football. The talent gap is closing, but it isn't equivalent yet. Also, as bad as Les Miles has looked at times, he always makes adjustments. It is part of the reason why LSU is such a good second half ball team. Butch Jones lack this ability and it is killing us.

Boom. And that is the difference between fans who are upset today and the ones who are placing some hope in "supporting the team" and "just give him more time". Losing is one thing, how we are losing is a bigger issue and red flag.
 
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#92
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I said it last year after mizzou...and damn near all of you called me negavol and said gtfo...hell I can't even start a thread anymore because I haven't been nice enough in regard to the staff.
 
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So what do you call the failure to allow a program in transition to mature? Are you ready to start over? After all, I have been advised by several contributors that UT talent is ready to jump ship at seasons end, right? Now, who is naive?

When it becomes pellucid the guy you have cannot get it done, you begin the process of correction. Even the current coach is a big believer in the process. We have a systemic problem at UT which may provide him with extra unwarranted time, but Hart (at minimum) should see the door this year. How quickly that happens will give us an idea how much longer Lyle Jones has.
 
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Recent history doesn't support your opinion.

Well we can not help if admin. will not pay like other schools have to get top available coaches.

So you have come to the point that if we do not beat any team that is rival (or finishes season top 25), but go 8-4 after 3 years, that is ok? This is why we are here, is people that matter do not care to settle as long as you keep filling the seats. And just to be clear, I hope he turns it around and beats Georgia and/or Alabama, I am not one who wants to lose to get rid of him.
 
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#98
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Thanks, it is refreshing to read a post admitting the relative lack of importance of the "fire the coach" crowd.

Same lack of importance we have on attracting a quality coach. Any coach who avoids a job because of fan expectations on a message board is in the wrong profession.
 
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Your wasting your time if you are looking for any sense from 90% of this board. But hey, keep shoveling poop M-F during your 9 to 5's and come on here and share your wisdom. Me and my buddies love it. Hard to get comedy this cheap anywhere else.

Everyone here is very impressed with you.
 
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Too many Vols fans bought into all of the preseason hype due to the ass kicking the Vols laid on an uninspired and unatheletic Iowa team. It was just like the Cotton Bowl victory over a really bad Texas A&M team in 2004.....
 
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