Calm down guys

[Doberman]

Starting Peterman in Gainesville in '13 was a brilliant move as well.

I was there for that debacle. :thud:

 

[Marietta_Volunteer]

If posts on a message board make you sad, then maybe your happiness is dependent on the wrong things as well. Just food for thought. I'm pretty neutral on the thread myself though.

Check the conjugation of the verb please. I said "saddening", I didn't say I was sad. Also, to help with comprehension, the posts themselves aren't saddening, but the apparent misery people are in because a football team that they aren't on didn't win another game or two is saddening.

 

[pimo1]

Telling people to calm down never results in people calming down.

OP's post sure does have a lot of ifs and buts, coulda, shoulda, wouldas in regards to the regular season.

I get what you're saying though, with the main point being that we should be ready to go for the bowl game. I gotta admit, though, I'm more than a little nervous about this one. Bowl games you can usually throw the regular seasons out the window. It comes down to how motivated teams are to be playing in a bowl game, to be playing in that specific bowl game, how the season ended, etc. The way that our season ended and having Atlanta and NOLA dangled in front of our faces, then end up going back to Nashville where we just suffered an embarrassing loss.. all the negativity and media reports about Butch... possible staff changes coming.. I just don't know if our boys will get up for this one or not

I agree there are always ifs and buts. Sadly we don't operate in a vacuum which is the annoying thing about life. There are no absolutes. I am very confident that this team will be just fine under Butch. But I try to keep in mind sometimes situations outside of ones control affect outcomes.

This is why a lot of the angst and anger is expressed on these boards because people invest into hype get on the bandwagon and that's that. They don't care how the wagon gets there just as long as it does.If there is a stoppage they are quick to jump off the free ride and complain about the folks doing the real work.

 

[VonVol]

Check the conjugation of the verb please. I said "saddening", I didn't say I was sad. Also, to help with comprehension, the posts themselves aren't saddening, but the apparent misery people are in because a football team that they aren't on didn't win another game or two is saddening.

Yes, you seem like a joy yourself. Terrific sense of humor. The definition of saddening is causing unhappiness,by the way. Either way, I was yanking your chain a bit is all. Seemed to be taking message board banter a little too seriously. But carry on with your lecturing if you feel so inclined. I'm good one way or the other.

 

[The Comb]

I agree there are always ifs and buts. Sadly we don't operate in a vacuum which is the annoying thing about life. There are no absolutes. I am very confident that this team will be just fine under Butch. But I try to keep in mind sometimes situations outside of ones control affect outcomes.

This is why a lot of the angst and anger is expressed on these boards because people invest into hype get on the bandwagon and that's that. They don't care how the wagon gets there just as long as it does.If there is a stoppage they are quick to jump off the free ride and complain about the folks doing the real work.

I will agree that I believe the team was way overhyped preseason, it was so easy and great to buy into. I think all that hype severely damaged the outcome of the season, the fans, and the team itself. All in all and looking objectively to where we've been the past decade, yeah it was a decent season. BUT while a lot of the expectations on this team were ridiculous (playoffs etc), there were just as many very realistic expectations (SEC East etc) that they did not meet. I think failing those goals plus hearing all offseason about how good we would be, made for a very disappointing end to the season.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Yes, you seem like a joy yourself. Terrific sense of humor.

Heavy lies the crown with those who think they can glean the mental state of people merely based upon the words on the screen from a sports message board.

It's an impressive self-appointed gift of many posters here that they know all about the lives of folk based on absolutely nothing more than their opinions of the Vols.

 

[orangetd88]

I will agree that I believe the team was way overhyped preseason, it was so easy and great to buy into. I think all that hype severely damaged the outcome of the season, the fans, and the team itself. All in all and looking objectively to where we've been the past decade, yeah it was a decent season. BUT while a lot of the expectations on this team were ridiculous (playoffs etc), there were just as many very realistic expectations (SEC East etc) that they did not meet. I think failing those goals plus hearing all offseason about how good we would be, made for a very disappointing end to the season.

Overhyped, maybe, but 10-2 should have happened and that record would have backed up some of hte preseason hype.

This team was almost as good as the hype train said. But they forgot who our coach was.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Do you remember how many turnovers VaTech handed us? I think that's what he's referencing.

Yes KB, I remember, but let's not give our guys credit for anything that happens on the field.

People fumble for a reason. Our guys were responsible for disruptions on the field that caused most, if not all, of those fumbles.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Heavy lies the crown with those who think they can glean the mental state of people merely based upon the words on the screen from a sports message board.

It's an impressive self-appointed gift of many posters here that they know all about the lives of folk based on absolutely nothing more than their opinions of the Vols.

This should be a VN popup that appears right before you hit "submit reply" to any post, in any thread, on any forum.

Seriously.

Go Vols.

 

[fossilfiction]

Sorry anyone that took offense. My statement should be read in light of the op last two sentences and the fact that I replied to him that he should not be comparing people complaining about a football team to what happened in East Tennessee.

Pretty sure he was referencing Tennessee Williams not the Gatlinburg fires.

 

[HoptownVol]

People actually read all that?

 

[VolFaninFla]

Yes KB, I remember, but let's not give our guys credit for anything that happens on the field.

People fumble for a reason. Our guys were responsible for disruptions on the field that caused most, if not all, of those fumbles.

I agree that the UT offense deserves credit for taking advantage of VT fumbles & penalties. BUT...I watched the game again this morning and, IMO, most of the fumbles were unforced.

Did you see something I missed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoN4Fb7dG9k

 

[volfannbama]

Pretty sure he was referencing Tennessee Williams not the Gatlinburg fires.

I was referring to bashing me when I was simply point out how stupid it was for the op to tie a rant about football to arson. Given the current circumstances in east tennessee, talking about enjoying arson and comparing them to people ranting about football is stupid. No excuse. And given the several long reply he has given defending his dumb position, im sure he is we aware of how most reasonable people took it.

 

[Marietta_Volunteer]

Yes, you seem like a joy yourself. Terrific sense of humor. The definition of saddening is causing unhappiness,by the way. Either way, I was yanking your chain a bit is all. Seemed to be taking message board banter a little too seriously. But carry on with your lecturing if you feel so inclined. I'm good one way or the other.

Well now that you mention it, I am a joy and have a wonderful sense of humor. Just hit the limit of seeing the Legion of the Miserable out in full force. Given the amount of posts, I'm not inclined to lecture too often so it's on this rare occasion when I reached capacity of just the continuous drivel that is constantly repeated that I felt the urge to retort.

 

[BeardedVol]

I will agree that I believe the team was way overhyped preseason, it was so easy and great to buy into. I think all that hype severely damaged the outcome of the season, the fans, and the team itself. All in all and looking objectively to where we've been the past decade, yeah it was a decent season. BUT while a lot of the expectations on this team were ridiculous (playoffs etc), there were just as many very realistic expectations (SEC East etc) that they did not meet. I think failing those goals plus hearing all offseason about how good we would be, made for a very disappointing end to the season.

Overhyped? That's what you are going with? Expecting a team with this many juniors and seniors to not struggle against Appy State and Ohio is overhyped? Expecting a team to beat a Muschamp-coached USCe, after a bye week, starting a sub-par freshman quarterback, is overhyped? Not losing to Vanderbilt in order to secure a Sugar Bowl birth, that's overhyped?

Seriously, the university made Dooley's last payment this month, and it's time to set the expectation higher than "well he didn't murder anyone, or get caught with an underaged prostitute" as the expectation for a head coach in this program.

 

[Marietta_Volunteer]

Heavy lies the crown with those who think they can glean the mental state of people merely based upon the words on the screen from a sports message board.

It's an impressive self-appointed gift of many posters here that they know all about the lives of folk based on absolutely nothing more than their opinions of the Vols.

The crown is not that heavy on this site and people aren't as mysterious as you think.

 

[NashVol11]

like many UT and SEC fans you do yourself a great disservice by the hyperbole that is used in describing teams like UK, Vandy and Kentucky. These are not bad teams. They are just not top SEC teams.

its like comparing the current Alabama team to any other college team not fair. Most 3rd stringers in Bama would start on half the teams in the country. The bottom dwellers of the SEC would be perennial top 25 teams in most other conferences. This is the mistake a lot of UT and fans of SEC teams make they have so much pride in their own team they don't realize what an awesome conference we play in. We are su busy telling ourselves the other guy sucks that we don't realize he does not.

Most of the guys Mike Tyson knocked out in seconds would still knock out 90% of the guys walking the streets out in even less seconds. They didn't suck they just were not as good as the guy they were in the ring with. Replace hyperbole with perspective and the world makes a lot more sense.

9 people liked this? The SEC homerism is strong with this board

 

[illinoisvolfan1]

I can't handle the truth!!!

 

[KBVol]

Yes KB, I remember, but let's not give our guys credit for anything that happens on the field.

People fumble for a reason. Our guys were responsible for disruptions on the field that caused most, if not all, of those fumbles.

2 of the 5 (or was it 6?, don't recall) were due to good plays by our guys...but no matter how they happened, those turnovers were the reason we were able to get back in the game and wrest momentum from VaTech. I firmly believe that if they don't happen, we likely lose that game. Dobbs, Malone, and Jennings certainly made great plays to take advantage and eventually run away from VaTech on the scoreboard, so credit definitely belongs to those guys.

 

[VonVol]

Well now that you mention it, I am a joy and have a wonderful sense of humor. Just hit the limit of seeing the Legion of the Miserable out in full force. Given the amount of posts, I'm not inclined to lecture too often so it's on this rare occasion when I reached capacity of just the continuous drivel that is constantly repeated that I felt the urge to retort.

Fair enough.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

The crown is not that heavy on this site and people aren't as mysterious as you think.

The arrogance is strong with this one.

 

[Marietta_Volunteer]

Something to think about:
W-L Records
1980-1992: 104-45-7 (.667) including split year 1992
1989-1992: 38-9-2 (.776)
Majors coached his first 9 years with a .619 win pct.
1993-1998: 63-11 (.851) w/ Cutcliffe as OC
1999-2004: 56-20 (.737)
2005-2007: 24-14 (.632) w/ Cutcliffe as OC
2008-2015: 49-51 (.490)
2013-2016: 30-21 (.588) w/ Jones and assuming bowl win

Takeaways:
1. Tennessee was on the rise beginning in 1989
2. Tennessee started their decline after Cutcliffe left the first time AND after winning a NC
3. As dramatic a decline from 1989-2015 was, an immediate rebound was never likely.
4. Sustained winning is HARD and hasn't really been done at Tennessee since Neyland.
5. CBJ does have the program on the rise and if he maintains a 9-4 record from here on out that would be a .692 win pct, which is better than Majors.

 

[TNnative]

The "calm down guys" will no doubt get a lot of haters to click. The amount of reading involved will repel them just the same

If I wanted to read, "War And Peace" I would not be online.

I was calm before I opened this thread. Now, not so much.

 

[jakez4ut]

3. As dramatic a decline from 1989-2015 was, an immediate rebound was never likely.

is this a typo?

 

[Marietta_Volunteer]

is this a typo?

no. I was pointing out that, starting in 1989, we went from winning big to declining to losing football by 2015. The descent started in 1999 and took 13 years to hit bottom. I could have worded it better for sure. That said, 13 years of steady decline can't be fixed in 3-4 years.