Calm down guys

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salutethehill said:
This, except "everyone" isn't accurate. I believe the highly scientific and reliable Butch Approval Poll was 75% Fire Butch Jones. If even that number's dwindled some with time, that's still pretty high.
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75% of UT fans huh? I guess I will see pigs fly when I go to lunch today also.
 
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Their are "brain farts" every season under this coaching staff regardless of whether there are injury issues or not.

Throw in a, to be kind, "defensive" posturing from the head coach in front of the microphones weekly to go along with these brain farts and it's not hard to understand the stance many fans have taken.

Factor in all the other teams making moves across the country with the coaching staffs while the UT football remains unchanged under a lame duck AD and a head coach who doesn't seem capable of offering actual solutions to their brain farts and therein lies the mounting frustration.
 
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Volfan76 said:
Seems to me like the OP made the case to NOT calm down. Every staff has to prepare for the unknown at the beginning of season. Every staff has only a week to prepare for games during the season. Every staff has to deal with "brain farts" during the season. The bottom line is still the same....it's time for the staff to turn the talk into wins. Butch will get another season to do that but until he does...No more excuses, no more "perspective", and certainly no more raises!
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VolForLife83 said:
And Appy. All freaking off season. We were healthy then. Our defense just sucked this year. No way around it. Maybe Franklin is responsible for the success of Shoop
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This is my thinking as well. Why is it that other teams seem to prepare but UT doesn't. So App St.'s coaches did a better job preparing for UT than UT did for App St. given the talent discrepancy and the game being played in Neyland?

Go back to '13 when UF put Tyler Murphy in at QB and they beat us rather easily. The general consensus was that Murphy "surprised" UT and we weren't prepared for him. Give me a break!

I'm interested to see how UT plays against Neb. UT should win the game but this will be the best opponent UT has faced since Bama.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Nah. According to the OP, Vandy is not a bad team at all. In fact, Vandy would be a much better team in a different conference. The ass whipping they gave us this year was just a brain fart by a team that, just didnt know Vandy.
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OP suffers from "end-of-season revisionist history syndrome". It happens every year to some Vols fans where their broken psyches try to gloss over the colossal coaching failures during the year, in order to be able to survive the off season.
 
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I also don't think trying to weave statements about arson and fires into yet another sanctimonious post trying to illustrate the positives of a season where they stated goals were not met is the right approach.

In fact, it's callous and shows an innate ability to separate a friggin' sports message board from real life and a horrible tragedy that led to a loss of life and thousands of people being affected.
 
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jakez4ut said:
good post mostly. though about when he didn't start Dobbs, i think he was actually making the correct decision. remember at that time, our QB situation was anything but stable. i think he knew what he had in Dobbs from an athletic standpoint, and would be a difference maker in the future. but....trying to keep the RS was the right move back then. there was no JG or QD on the roster. it was Worley, Peterman and Dobbs.

i think, w/out knowing the future, he was trying to give himself at least 3 years in the bag with Dobbs if nothing else changed at QB, quick. had he successfully kept the RS on Dobbs in 14, he'd have another year of eligibility and could be starting next year too.

so while there's a lot of things, like you, that i find "head scratching" when it comes to Butch, that particular decision i felt was correct, at the time. and as it turns out, we now have QD with 2 years and JG with 4.

worst case scenario, we should be set at QB for the next 3 years, possibly 4...though i'd bet we'll need a guy going in to 2020....and we'll need to get another qb or two that can really compete for that spot the next two cycles.
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Agree with the sentiment of trying to keep the red shirt on Dobbs

The downside was the inability to make any changes to the offense whatsoever to play to the strengths Worley had and then make it even worse by throwing Coleman Thomas to the wolves at tackle which helped lead Dobbs losing his red shirt anyway.

Jones can pat himself on the back all he wants to the press for delivering the program from the brink but there isn't anything on his resume suggesting he is more than an average at best coach during his tenure here.
 
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Good coaches have teams that occasionally lose games they shouldn't, but we've consistently seen CBJ-coached teams struggle against inferior opponents for 4 years.

He can recruit decently, but his and his staff's ability to develop players is ultimately failing to elevate players during their tenure at UT. We are one poor recruiting class from a disaster as long as CBJ is trying to shoe-horn "the system".
 
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Wow, after scanning through these 4 pages I can only come to the conclusion that many of you need to see your doctor regarding the anal leakage you are experiencing. The amount of control that a group of 17-23 years has on the level of happiness you can achieve in your lives is saddening, especially this time of year.
 
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So in summary...
CBJ has made some bad coaching and leadership decisions on the field, off the field and in the locker room. We had an inordinate amount of injuries this year. The team underperformed and failed to meet their (or our) expectations.

And (sigh) it will be another long and drama-filled off season on VN.

Merry Christmas, y'all. Life is good, enjoy it.
 
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savannahfan said:
Big thumbs down for last statement. Live very close to Bama.. I guess you had something cute and smart to say about Bama teams after the storms in Alabama over the last few years. I know folks down there who would take very serious offense to statements like the above. However most Tennesseans will just ignore cute (I won't say dumb) (hell yes I will ) DUMB statement you have put forth.
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I am guessing that you missed the statement I was replying to? The OP made light of the East Tennessee situation in the original post, which I immediately called inappropriate. You have no idea what I went through when the storms hit Alabama.
 
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Marietta_Volunteer said:
Wow, after scanning through these 4 pages I can only come to the conclusion that many of you need to see your doctor regarding the anal leakage you are experiencing. The amount of control that a group of 17-23 years has on the level of happiness you can achieve in your lives is saddening, especially this time of year.
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If posts on a message board make you sad, then maybe your happiness is dependent on the wrong things as well. Just food for thought. I'm pretty neutral on the thread myself though.
 
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fossilfiction said:
For everyone that lost loved ones, homes, and businesses... ____ you! _____ you twice! Hope you catch an disease sitting on toliet seat.
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Sorry anyone that took offense. My statement should be read in light of the op last two sentences and the fact that I replied to him that he should not be comparing people complaining about a football team to what happened in East Tennessee.
 
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savannahfan said:
Big thumbs down for last statement. Live very close to Bama.. I guess you had something cute and smart to say about Bama teams after the storms in Alabama over the last few years. I know folks down there who would take very serious offense to statements like the above. However most Tennesseans will just ignore cute (I won't say dumb) (hell yes I will ) DUMB statement you have put forth.
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Uh oh. Keep your eyes peeled at the local Waffle House folks.
 
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volfannbama said:
Sorry anyone that took offense. My statement should be read in light of the op last two sentences and the fact that I replied to him that he should not be comparing people complaining about a football team to what happened in East Tennessee.
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Reading comprehension isn't a strong suit around here. Getting one's panties in a wad over any and everything, however, is.
 
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jakez4ut said:
good post mostly. though about when he didn't start Dobbs, i think he was actually making the correct decision. remember at that time, our QB situation was anything but stable. i think he knew what he had in Dobbs from an athletic standpoint, and would be a difference maker in the future. but....trying to keep the RS was the right move back then. there was no JG or QD on the roster. it was Worley, Peterman and Dobbs.

i think, w/out knowing the future, he was trying to give himself at least 3 years in the bag with Dobbs if nothing else changed at QB, quick. had he successfully kept the RS on Dobbs in 14, he'd have another year of eligibility and could be starting next year too.

so while there's a lot of things, like you, that i find "head scratching" when it comes to Butch, that particular decision i felt was correct, at the time. and as it turns out, we now have QD with 2 years and JG with 4.

worst case scenario, we should be set at QB for the next 3 years, possibly 4...though i'd bet we'll need a guy going in to 2020....and we'll need to get another qb or two that can really compete for that spot the next two cycles.
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Keeping Dobbs' redshirt was the correct move.

Starting Worley was also the correct move.

Running the read option with a statue was the problem.
 
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Telling people to calm down never results in people calming down.

OP's post sure does have a lot of ifs and buts, coulda, shoulda, wouldas in regards to the regular season.

I get what you're saying though, with the main point being that we should be ready to go for the bowl game. I gotta admit, though, I'm more than a little nervous about this one. Bowl games you can usually throw the regular seasons out the window. It comes down to how motivated teams are to be playing in a bowl game, to be playing in that specific bowl game, how the season ended, etc. The way that our season ended and having Atlanta and NOLA dangled in front of our faces, then end up going back to Nashville where we just suffered an embarrassing loss.. all the negativity and media reports about Butch... possible staff changes coming.. I just don't know if our boys will get up for this one or not
 
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Doberman said:
Keeping Dobbs' redshirt was the correct move.

Starting Worley was also the correct move.

Running the read option with a statue was the problem.
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i respect the heck out of Worley. if nothing else, he proved how tough he was.
 
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Calm down? Is everyone all worried about losing in a B+ bowl to a fellow former powerhouse? Win or lose, the failure of 2016 is already etched in stone.
 
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TGVol said:
That extra week to prepare did wonders in the SCjr game. Scary to imagine by how much more Butch would have lost to Muschamp (again) if it was not for that precious extra week. :crazy:
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I was just about to post this.

Great minds, sir.
 
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