Calm down guys

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BigOrangeTrain said:
The fact is we are facing yet another mid to lower tier B10 team who is now down their best WR and possibly their starting QB. We should show up and dominate given those 2 factors. But do you really expect a defense that has been absolutely abused by teams like Vandy and Missouri to have a great performance? In my opinion, its likely to be the exact opposite. I think Nebraska will abuse our DBs and take extreme advantage of our injuries on the DL. I think they will gash us very often for massive amounts of yards.

That being said, I do see us winning this game. I think our offense will be able to score a lot of points. Dobbs, Kamara, Kelly, Malone, JJ and the boys will be too much for Nebraska. I think we lose the stats battle, but win the game.

If Hurd hadnt left the team, the offense would not be as good IMO, Williams? He was a diva that could not earn his starting spot. They both are quitters. Our team is much better off without them. Injuries have played a huge part in the season. We shall see next year if they truly were as big of a factor as we thought. About the Vandy game, this team didnt know it? Dobbs, Barnett and Sutton were there in 2014 when we barely managed to beat them by a TD. Sorry but there is NO and I mean NO excuse for the statistical and scoreboard dominance Vandy accomplished against Tennessee. It wasnt a brain fart. It was an ass whipping by a severely inferior team that is very well coached.
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Who's Hurd? She hot?
 
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pimo1 said:
Here is a bit of perspective. has anyone wondered why Butchs' teams always take a quantum leap for bowl games? it is because of 2 things. The extended period of time to prepare and the ability to get a lot of guys reps that would have gotten reps in the regular season.

Now this is the part where someone pops out and says well he does not perform this way in game 1 each season and has all offseason to prepare. The answer is that is totally different game 1 you are preparing for what might be. For a bowl game you have a season worth of tape on the team.

Do I think our D will be world beaters? Heck no, but they will be much improved over what we saw over those last 3 games. I keep seeing people say last 5 games but erm last I checked Tn tech put a goose egg on the scoreboard and 224 yards of total offense. The south Carolina game was not a defensive breakdown it was a whole team breakdown and I blame most of that on the distraction caused by Hurd. They also only produced a bit over 300 yards of total offense.

Our defensive breakdowns in the last 3 games were amplified by the teams we played. lets not fool ourselves Before they played us Vandy and Kentucky were 2 of the best rushing attacks in the SEC (UK was 3rd total behind alabama and auburn). Missouri was one of the best offenses in the SEC (2nd behind alabama in total offense and second in passing behind ole miss 7th in rushing right ahead of UT)

Vandy was just a complete brainfart. Most people fans included do not give Vandy the respect they deserve on their end all be all game. The tradition had kind of went away the past decade or better to say they didn't feel like the underdogs they actually are so lost their hunger. Vandy used to be a team that would play their best game of the year against UT. no matter how bad they were they wanted that game and we knew it. This team didn't know it. You can blame anyone you want but it was the wakeup call I think this coaching staff needed.This season was that.

the one really great positive from this season is this. We won't have this problem next year. Guys that in normal circumstances wouldn't have gotten a single meaningful snap this year played some serious time and got quality reps and will get more between now and Nebraska. Shoop got a look at guys he might not have had a chance to see until next year and a better idea of what holes need plugging in the recruiting class.

This Vol team will show up in Nashville and the results will likely be quite similar to bowl games of the past few seasons. The defense will look better. Even though Nebraska has the same advantage of a full year of tape on us they have never seen a tape of a healthy UT team. No one has.

How many of you know that UT had the second best scoring offense in the SEC and lead the league in QBR? First in td's. @ Qbs in the SEC threw for over 20 TD's only one threw less than 10 ints (Jalen Hurts at 9) os Dobbs 12 is not a huge anomaly like a lot of people try to make it out. especially when you consider the game situations he was in when he threw them. This has been an outstanding team that has faced a tremendous amount of adversity this season and still performed as expected minus the vandy game.

Imagine what this team if Jalen Hurd and Preston Williams had not given up. What do we look like without the devastating injuries to Cam, Kirkland and JRM early season and the decimation that happened at DT. Trust me if Hurd hadn't left the team and we hadn't lost Tuttle and KMac we are sitting at 10-3 now and everyone is bi--hing about why we cant seem to beat Bama. because if one thing is true no matter what folks around here will find something to burn a mattress about. If the past 2 months have not shown you that east Tennessee has an obsession with arson I don't know what to tell you. We love complaining about everything an setting fire to the house we live in.
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Well if we can gave brain farts against Vandy and team breakdown's against SC and luck to win against Appy, UGA, VT. We ain't got much to look forward to do we
 
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Biopsyman said:
That should grounds for the gas chamber
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Nah. According to the OP, Vandy is not a bad team at all. In fact, Vandy would be a much better team in a different conference. The ass whipping they gave us this year was just a brain fart by a team that, just didnt know Vandy.
 
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Yes we have had a lot of injuries. At the end of the day there is evidence of poor coaching. If the last four recruiting classes could be rank after the season our classes would possibly be ranked in the 20's. Either the player left school or didn't develope. In game coaching decisions often are terrible mix that with injuries and attrition you lose to Vandy and South Carolina.
 
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Rockytoptalker said:
Northwestern wasn't a scrub, they were a 10 win team and ranked in the top 15. Outmatched? Yes. But not a pushover. Iowa on ther other hand, they were indeed pretty bad. But considering we were 6-6 in 2014 the matchup made sense.
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NW was a scrub....and a good Tennessee team (we were a much better team in 2015 than 2016) did what a good team does vs a scrub.....beat them by 40 points.
 
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pimo1 said:
Here is a bit of perspective. has anyone wondered why Butchs' teams always take a quantum leap for bowl games? it is because of 2 things. The extended period of time to prepare and the ability to get a lot of guys reps that would have gotten reps in the regular season.

Now this is the part where someone pops out and says well he does not perform this way in game 1 each season and has all offseason to prepare. The answer is that is totally different game 1 you are preparing for what might be. For a bowl game you have a season worth of tape on the team.

Do I think our D will be world beaters? Heck no, but they will be much improved over what we saw over those last 3 games. I keep seeing people say last 5 games but erm last I checked Tn tech put a goose egg on the scoreboard and 224 yards of total offense. The south Carolina game was not a defensive breakdown it was a whole team breakdown and I blame most of that on the distraction caused by Hurd. They also only produced a bit over 300 yards of total offense.

Our defensive breakdowns in the last 3 games were amplified by the teams we played. lets not fool ourselves Before they played us Vandy and Kentucky were 2 of the best rushing attacks in the SEC (UK was 3rd total behind alabama and auburn). Missouri was one of the best offenses in the SEC (2nd behind alabama in total offense and second in passing behind ole miss 7th in rushing right ahead of UT)

Vandy was just a complete brainfart. Most people fans included do not give Vandy the respect they deserve on their end all be all game. The tradition had kind of went away the past decade or better to say they didn't feel like the underdogs they actually are so lost their hunger. Vandy used to be a team that would play their best game of the year against UT. no matter how bad they were they wanted that game and we knew it. This team didn't know it. You can blame anyone you want but it was the wakeup call I think this coaching staff needed.This season was that.

the one really great positive from this season is this. We won't have this problem next year. Guys that in normal circumstances wouldn't have gotten a single meaningful snap this year played some serious time and got quality reps and will get more between now and Nebraska. Shoop got a look at guys he might not have had a chance to see until next year and a better idea of what holes need plugging in the recruiting class.

This Vol team will show up in Nashville and the results will likely be quite similar to bowl games of the past few seasons. The defense will look better. Even though Nebraska has the same advantage of a full year of tape on us they have never seen a tape of a healthy UT team. No one has.

How many of you know that UT had the second best scoring offense in the SEC and lead the league in QBR? First in td's. @ Qbs in the SEC threw for over 20 TD's only one threw less than 10 ints (Jalen Hurts at 9) os Dobbs 12 is not a huge anomaly like a lot of people try to make it out. especially when you consider the game situations he was in when he threw them. This has been an outstanding team that has faced a tremendous amount of adversity this season and still performed as expected minus the vandy game.

Imagine what this team if Jalen Hurd and Preston Williams had not given up. What do we look like without the devastating injuries to Cam, Kirkland and JRM early season and the decimation that happened at DT. Trust me if Hurd hadn't left the team and we hadn't lost Tuttle and KMac we are sitting at 10-3 now and everyone is bi--hing about why we cant seem to beat Bama. because if one thing is true no matter what folks around here will find something to burn a mattress about. If the past 2 months have not shown you that east Tennessee has an obsession with arson I don't know what to tell you. We love complaining about everything an setting fire to the house we live in.
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Vandy Game...
Few people seem to look back , history would tell anyone Vandy WANTS the Tennessee game every year. If this staff or any staff don't understand this, it's their own fault. Their are former players and coaches around that can make this understood. They know from bad experiences. To not avail oneself of this history is just plain arrogant or something worse. If a staff is aware of the Vandy position and doesn't get the team ready, that on it. (Remember, one staff member has just served at Vandy).
Great positive.
Again wait til next year.....
Trying not to complain.. but "next year will be better" is getting old. Seems to be the answer every year since the early 1990's when we disgraced ourselves against LSU in SEC championship Game.....
 
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volfannbama said:
Glad you have pumped yourself up for the MCB. All points are a bunch of garbage meant to somehow excuse the man at the top for losing to usc and vandy and looking like crap against two lesser teams and making not good teams look really good with our historically bad defense. If Butch can fix it in the off season great, I have my doubts.

But hey at least they are wearing smoking greys because east Tennessee loves arson right?
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Big thumbs down for last statement. Live very close to Bama.. I guess you had something cute and smart to say about Bama teams after the storms in Alabama over the last few years. I know folks down there who would take very serious offense to statements like the above. However most Tennesseans will just ignore cute (I won't say dumb) (hell yes I will ) DUMB statement you have put forth.
 
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Everyone will continue to try to constantly validate Butch until the can't any longer. We're not quite there yet but it's coming. Butch just isn't a good coach. Plain and simple. There's not one area he's lacking...its just a bunch of small things. Take the debored hire for example. He was coaching a kids swim team at the ymca and had been out of coaching for a decade. How does that make sense in any level? Then consider personnel decisions. When he first got here he left a guy like dobbs sitting on the bench and ran a read option with Worley. That never made any sense to anyone. Fast forward to this season and I believe through the early/middle part of the season we were incredible reluctant to call run plays for dobbs. That's dobbs strength. He's just not smart enough to pick up on basic concepts every fan understands.
 
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You are correct, sir! Why do you think that Boise State can beat Oklahoma, Oregon, etc. etc. in the bowl games??? They have a lot of time to prepare......
 
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volfannbama said:
Glad you have pumped yourself up for the MCB. All points are a bunch of garbage meant to somehow excuse the man at the top for losing to usc and vandy and looking like crap against two lesser teams and making not good teams look really good with our historically bad defense. If Butch can fix it in the off season great, I have my doubts.

But hey at least they are wearing smoking greys because east Tennessee loves arson right?
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Your last sentence, dude, is very inappropriate inmho....
 
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pimo1 said:
You take the top 3 Defensive tackles of any team in the country. Then put them up against any decent rushing team and those teams are gonna have a blast no matter who the coach is. Especially when your linebacking corps and secondary is the walking wounded also.
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Actually we lost 4 of the top 5...only Vickers was playing down the end stretch...we were only down 2 of the top 5 LBs during that stretch but that combination is a bad one for stopping the run...

Unfortunately that problem won't be fixed by the MCB...I suspect Nebraska will be eager to test our run D...
 
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pimo1 said:
Here is a bit of perspective. has anyone wondered why Butchs' teams always take a quantum leap for bowl games? it is because of 2 things. The extended period of time to prepare
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That extra week to prepare did wonders in the SCjr game. Scary to imagine by how much more Butch would have lost to Muschamp (again) if it was not for that precious extra week. :crazy:
 
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chattavol420 said:
Everyone will continue to try to constantly validate Butch until the can't any longer. We're not quite there yet but it's coming. Butch just isn't a good coach. Plain and simple. There's not one area he's lacking...its just a bunch of small things. Take the debored hire for example. He was coaching a kids swim team at the ymca and had been out of coaching for a decade. How does that make sense in any level? Then consider personnel decisions. When he first got here he left a guy like dobbs sitting on the bench and ran a read option with Worley. That never made any sense to anyone. Fast forward to this season and I believe through the early/middle part of the season we were incredible reluctant to call run plays for dobbs. That's dobbs strength. He's just not smart enough to pick up on basic concepts every fan understands.
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He needs a "Take Charge, Good O.C." someone like Kiffin or Cutcliffe. Give the offense to that O.C. and stay away and let them work their magic.
It has to be a top of the line O.C. that can be trusted.
 
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chattavol420 said:
Everyone will continue to try to constantly validate Butch until the can't any longer. We're not quite there yet but it's coming. Butch just isn't a good coach. Plain and simple. There's not one area he's lacking...its just a bunch of small things. Take the debored hire for example. He was coaching a kids swim team at the ymca and had been out of coaching for a decade. How does that make sense in any level? Then consider personnel decisions. When he first got here he left a guy like dobbs sitting on the bench and ran a read option with Worley. That never made any sense to anyone. Fast forward to this season and I believe through the early/middle part of the season we were incredible reluctant to call run plays for dobbs. That's dobbs strength. He's just not smart enough to pick up on basic concepts every fan understands.
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good post mostly. though about when he didn't start Dobbs, i think he was actually making the correct decision. remember at that time, our QB situation was anything but stable. i think he knew what he had in Dobbs from an athletic standpoint, and would be a difference maker in the future. but....trying to keep the RS was the right move back then. there was no JG or QD on the roster. it was Worley, Peterman and Dobbs.

i think, w/out knowing the future, he was trying to give himself at least 3 years in the bag with Dobbs if nothing else changed at QB, quick. had he successfully kept the RS on Dobbs in 14, he'd have another year of eligibility and could be starting next year too.

so while there's a lot of things, like you, that i find "head scratching" when it comes to Butch, that particular decision i felt was correct, at the time. and as it turns out, we now have QD with 2 years and JG with 4.

worst case scenario, we should be set at QB for the next 3 years, possibly 4...though i'd bet we'll need a guy going in to 2020....and we'll need to get another qb or two that can really compete for that spot the next two cycles.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
The fact is we are facing yet another mid to lower tier B10 team who is now down their best WR and possibly their starting QB. We should show up and dominate given those 2 factors. But do you really expect a defense that has been absolutely abused by teams like Vandy and Missouri to have a great performance? In my opinion, its likely to be the exact opposite. I think Nebraska will abuse our DBs and take extreme advantage of our injuries on the DL. I think they will gash us very often for massive amounts of yards.

That being said, I do see us winning this game. I think our offense will be able to score a lot of points. Dobbs, Kamara, Kelly, Malone, JJ and the boys will be too much for Nebraska. I think we lose the stats battle, but win the game.

If Hurd hadnt left the team, the offense would not be as good IMO, Williams? He was a diva that could not earn his starting spot. They both are quitters. Our team is much better off without them. Injuries have played a huge part in the season. We shall see next year if they truly were as big of a factor as we thought. About the Vandy game, this team didnt know it? Dobbs, Barnett and Sutton were there in 2014 when we barely managed to beat them by a TD. Sorry but there is NO and I mean NO excuse for the statistical and scoreboard dominance Vandy accomplished against Tennessee. It wasnt a brain fart. It was an ass whipping by a severely inferior team that is very well coached.
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IMO we won't dominate them we will be lucky for a 1 point win.:eek:lol:
 
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chattavol420 said:
Everyone will continue to try to constantly validate Butch until the can't any longer. We're not quite there yet but it's coming. Butch just isn't a good coach. Plain and simple....
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This, except "everyone" isn't accurate. I believe the highly scientific and reliable Butch Approval Poll was 75% Fire Butch Jones. If even that number's dwindled some with time, that's still pretty high.
 
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Seems to me like the OP made the case to NOT calm down. Every staff has to prepare for the unknown at the beginning of season. Every staff has only a week to prepare for games during the season. Every staff has to deal with "brain farts" during the season. The bottom line is still the same....it's time for the staff to turn the talk into wins. Butch will get another season to do that but until he does...No more excuses, no more "perspective", and certainly no more raises!
 
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TGVol said:
That extra week to prepare did wonders in the SCjr game. Scary to imagine by how much more Butch would have lost to Muschamp (again) if it was not for that precious extra week. :crazy:
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And Appy. All freaking off season. We were healthy then. Our defense just sucked this year. No way around it. Maybe Franklin is responsible for the success of Shoop
 
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