Butch Jones did not fail

#101
#101
dcm3w said:
His players have failed him as well tbh. A good chunk of his failure is his coaching but players have hurt him as well.
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Yea, that's the way, blame our players..... This post is pathetic, to say the Very least.
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#102
#102
dcm3w said:
His players have failed him as well tbh. A good chunk of his failure is his coaching but players have hurt him as well.
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so, is this some special pool of players that Jones recruited from or are these the same generation of kids that all NCAA schools recruited from. If there is dissension in the locker room, it is Jones's problem.
 
#104
#104
OrangeByBirth said:
Dave Hart is the one that failed. I learned over the years that it is better to aim high and risk coming up short than to aim low and hit the target. Hart aimed low and hit the target. Jones was and is over his head.

I hope Currie aims high.
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If I’m not mistaken he did aim high. He was turned down by every decent, respectable coach. With the mess we were because they let Dooley stay a year too long no one wanted to come here.

Sadly if Butch somehow gets another year we will be right back where we were when he got here. The coaching search would go just as well too.

He needs to be gone after the Bama game at the latest and then we can let the interim coach run a real O and let Shoop actually do what he was paid to come here and do. We could also get an early jump on the new hire and not wait and if we make a bowl, let Lyle coach that so then we can be stuck with either a leftover coach after the rest are already hired or a full year with a interim staff that will kill the roster because recruits will stay clear until they know who their coach will be. Then that coach would be in a hole catching up trying to get talent to come here.
 
#105
#105
OrangeByBirth said:
Dave Hart is the one that failed..
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Just wait until the FBI drops a search warrant on the Athletic Department to investigate the Nike Deal AND the Dave Hart involvement. Hopefully Hart takes the fall and did some criminal stuff PERSONALLY so he'll do time in the clink -- that would leave UTAD out of the criminal stuff since Dave is a FORMER employee.
 
#106
#106
I think a lot of folks are reaching when the obvious is right in front of you, and I can't blame you because I just started to come to acccept the realization recently myself. Butch is TOO nice. He's too good a guy. HE BABIES THESE KIDS. When he says he treats them like his own kids and his job is to protect them, he means it. That's how he gets the recruits here. The mommas LOVE HIM for it. He babies these kids. He's the coaching equivalent of a helicopter parent.
 
#107
#107
YOu can't be mad at him for that. He is just too nice. He has built this program from scratch. he even rebuilt the Tennessee highschool football lines from scratch. he was perfect for UT at just the right time, but we need someone else to take over at this point. It's a necessity. I heard someone say He should take the Oregon state program earlier today. They were trying to be mean hearted and cruel, but Butch Jones would murder the pac 12 @ Oregon state. Who would stop him? His biggest challenge would be the California schools.
 
#109
#109
I agree.

The problem is that Butch hasn't succeeded enough in the W's column. Wanted Jones to be a very good coach for many years, but he just isn't panning out. Bottom line is you gotta win more.
 
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