Butch Jones did not fail

#26
#26
Munarb said:
I will actually disagree here. I agree Butch is a horrible talent developer and game day coach, but he has had shot after shot to be successful here and he failed on his own.

We literally could have gone to the sugar bowl last year with a win over V.A.N.D.Y.

Read that again. He failed.
Click to expand...



That was painful to read. You had to write that? A missed Sugar....that hurt.:thud::thud:
 
#28
#28
dcm3w said:
His players have failed him as well tbh. A good chunk of his failure is his coaching but players have hurt him as well.
Click to expand...

It's his job to get the players, coach them up and win with them. It's not the players' responsibility to prop up and overcome the coach's shortcomings. If the team fails, it's ultimately 100% on him
 
#29
#29
OrangeByBirth said:
Dave Hart is the one that failed. I learned over the years that it is better to aim high and risk coming up short than to aim low and hit the target. Hart aimed low and hit the target. Jones was and is over his head.

I hope Currie aims high.
Click to expand...

Both failed.

I have no idea what options Hart had at the time. On paper, the Jones hire didn’t seem completely stupid. If his hands were tied, he did what he could. But, he made the hire and it didn’t work. He failed.

Jones is in over his head, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t fail. He gave it his best, and it wasn’t good enough. Failure is defined by the results, not the effort. He failed.
 
#30
#30
SaintLouisVol said:
Both failed.

I have no idea what options Hart had at the time. On paper, the Jones hire didn’t seem completely stupid. If his hands were tied, he did what he could. But, he made the hire and it didn’t work. He failed.

Jones is in over his head, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t fail. He gave it his best, and it wasn’t good enough. Failure is defined by the results, not the effort. He failed.
Click to expand...

No, it was stupid on paper. Taking a chance on Smart would have been better than gambling on a known quantity.
 
#31
#31
dcm3w said:
That's idiotic. I'm not defending Butch but to say that it's all on him is absolutely false. I assume it was Butch's fault that we missed a thousand tackles against Oklahoma and Florida a couple of years back that could've saved the game?
Click to expand...

Yes, it was. Sorry dude, it's ultimately his responsibility to get his players to perform and win games, period. If they miss "a thousand tackles" you damn right it's on the head coach. That's how it works.
 
#34
#34
At this point, 9-3 is fireable imo. Even if he went 9-3, just ceding that we're always going to lose to Alabama and Florida and be fine with getting boat raced by Georgia is just a bridge too far for me. Georgia fired Richt at 9-3 and he's was much much more for them than Butch has been here. It's worked out well so far for them.

That said, I don't have any faith that we beat South Carolina, Kentucky, LSU or Vandy at this point. This team has shown nothing to indicate they are capable of avoiding chasing the 8 loss barrier.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#35
#35
MaxamusXIII said:
The sad thing for Butch is he was so close so many times. Just a few little tweaks and this could be a world different. Unfortunately he just can't seem to take that next step. And I think it's too late. I don't see any way he can recover now
Click to expand...

Unless he beats Bama this year. Then he'll be the next Sabah in the making according to some of you guys.
 
#38
#38
SaintLouisVol said:
I’ve never heard that Smart would have taken the job. It seems pretty obvious in hindsight he was holding out to go home.
Click to expand...

He would have taken the job. He was on the candidates list. There was no way to know how long Richt was going to be at Georgia (and he was there 3 more years.) He was not my choice at the time, but at least he had a chance of having some upside.
 
#39
#39
This goes back further thab Butch. Hamilton, Lame, Hart, Dooley and Butch ALL failed. Most of all, the powers that be at Tennessee have been the biggest failures of all. Running a HOF coach off and replacing him with nothing but losers.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#40
#40
OrangeByBirth said:
Dave Hart is the one that failed. I learned over the years that it is better to aim high and risk coming up short than to aim low and hit the target. Hart aimed low and hit the target. Jones was and is over his head.

I hope Currie aims high.
Click to expand...

Agree'd. And he dug that hole even deeper by giving the man a buyout he couldnt turn down. Then he had the nerve to get buddy-buddy with Butch as if that were going to be a good thing for the university. Last thing Butch needed was a sense of complacency. Hart gave him just that.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#42
#42
Butch Jones had the 2016 team..........he lost to SC and Vandy.........Butch Jones FAILED.

Gary Busey could have coached that team to an SEC East championship.
 
#43
#43
BTW Butch Jones totally failed too. You can't lose the locker room. That's completely on him.
 
#45
#45
That 2016 team should have been 11-3 at worst, with the two of the losses being to Bama.
 
#48
#48
OrangeByBirth said:
Dave Hart is the one that failed. I learned over the years that it is better to aim high and risk coming up short than to aim low and hit the target. Hart aimed low and hit the target. Jones was and is over his head.

I hope Currie aims high.
Click to expand...

what about harts bosses? Boosters?
 
#49
#49
OrangeByBirth said:
Dave Hart is the one that failed. I learned over the years that it is better to aim high and risk coming up short than to aim low and hit the target. Hart aimed low and hit the target. Jones was and is over his head.

I hope Currie aims high.
Click to expand...

If Currie misses with this HC hire, the Vols may end up wandering around in the dessert for another 10 years:unsure:
 
#50
#50
dcm3w said:
That's idiotic. I'm not defending Butch but to say that it's all on him is absolutely false. I assume it was Butch's fault that we missed a thousand tackles against Oklahoma and Florida a couple of years back that could've saved the game?
Click to expand...

Yes its cbjs fault that our team has not been good at tackling for several years.
 
New Posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

Advertisement



Back
Top