Butch Jones did not fail

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Dave Hart is the one that failed. I learned over the years that it is better to aim high and risk coming up short than to aim low and hit the target. Hart aimed low and hit the target. Jones was and is over his head.

I hope Currie aims high.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
Dave Hart is the one that failed. I learned over the years that it is better to aim high and risk coming up short than to aim low and hit the target. Hart aimed low and hit the target. Jones was and is over his head.

I hope Currie aims high.
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The sad thing for Butch is he was so close so many times. Just a few little tweaks and this could be a world different. Unfortunately he just can't seem to take that next step. And I think it's too late. I don't see any way he can recover now
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
The sad thing for Butch is he was so close so many times. Just a few little tweaks and this could be a world different. Unfortunately he just can't seem to take that next step. And I think it's too late. I don't see any way he can recover now
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Agree
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
Dave Hart is the one that failed. I learned over the years that it is better to aim high and risk coming up short than to aim low and hit the target. Hart aimed low and hit the target. Jones was and is over his head.

I hope Currie aims high.
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I will actually disagree here. I agree Butch is a horrible talent developer and game day coach, but he has had shot after shot to be successful here and he failed on his own.

We literally could have gone to the sugar bowl last year with a win over V.A.N.D.Y.

Read that again. He failed.
 
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Munarb said:
I will actually disagree here. I agree Butch is a horrible talent developer and game day coach, but he has had shot after shot to be successful here and he failed on his own.

We literally could have gone to the sugar bowl last year with a win over V.A.N.D.Y.

Read that again. He failed.
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His players have failed him as well tbh. A good chunk of his failure is his coaching but players have hurt him as well.
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
The sad thing for Butch is he was so close so many times. Just a few little tweaks and this could be a world different. Unfortunately he just can't seem to take that next step. And I think it's too late. I don't see any way he can recover now
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He can't recover in a lot of our eyes, but....
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
The sad thing for Butch is he was so close so many times. Just a few little tweaks and this could be a world different. Unfortunately he just can't seem to take that next step. And I think it's too late. I don't see any way he can recover now
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You nailed it.
 
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Jones has to have some self-awareness here as well. You can't blame someone for striving, but you have to know thyself.
 
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I don't blame Hart. Strong was his guy and after he turned us down Butch lobbied hard for the job. Up until the USC game last season, I believed Butch was a great hire.
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
The sad thing for Butch is he was so close so many times. Just a few little tweaks and this could be a world different. Unfortunately he just can't seem to take that next step. And I think it's too late. I don't see any way he can recover now
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I disagree, mathematically. If he runs the table (minus Bama which is near statistically impossible) beating LSU and the rest of the East, then he could end the season 9-3. He will NOT be fired for overachieving. Plus, you should consider that after beating USC, playing at least in the same genre vs Bama and beating the rest week in and week out ... there would be a lot to cheer about for fans, and media alike.

Sure, there will be a sizeable fire him contingent. But, in such a scenario the AD would not be willing to burn $9mil and possible another buyout of a new coach. We would make a new years day bowl where we have been stellar under Jones. Win it and he heads to 2018 with a 10-3 overachievement rebuilding year. The argument would be that we could now contend for the SEC and playoff in 18'.

Do I expect it to happen. Not on your life. I witnessed 1st and goal at the 1/2 and the previous 3 years foibles. But, I would love it if it did. It would only happen with stellar coaching in the remaining 8 games. With that and a great roster 2018' would look hopeful.

Its not unprecedented. Stranger things have happened. I remember Tubberville getting another yr after Tarmac gate and how they went undefeated the next year.

Queue the "so you're saying there's a chance gif". All I'm saying is it is not impossible he's finished.
 
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livefaith said:
I disagree, mathematically. If he runs the table (minus Bama which is near statistically impossible) beating LSU and the rest of the East, then he could end the season 9-3. He will NOT be fired for overachieving. Plus, you should consider that after beating USC, playing at least in the same genre vs Bama and beating the rest week in and week out ... there would be a lot to cheer about for fans, and media alike.

Sure, there will be a sizeable fire him contingent. But, in such a scenario the AD would not be willing to burn $9mil and possible another buyout of a new coach. We would make a new years day bowl where we have been stellar under Jones. Win it and he heads to 2018 with a 9-3 overachievement rebuilding year. The argument would be that we could now contend for the SEC and playoff in 18'.

Do I expect it to happen. Not on your life. I witnessed 1st and goal at the 1/2 and the previous 3 years foibles. But, I would love it if it did. It would only happen with stellar coaching in the remaining 8 games. With that and a great roster 2018' would look hopeful.

Its not unprecedented. Stranger things have happened. I remember Tubberville getting another yr after Tarmac gate and how they went undefeated the next year.

Queue the "so you're saying there's a chance gif". All I'm saying is it is not impossible he's finished.
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Alabama's team plane could go down after the a&m game....better chance of that happening than that deranged thinking
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
The sad thing for Butch is he was so close so many times. Just a few little tweaks and this could be a world different. Unfortunately he just can't seem to take that next step. And I think it's too late. I don't see any way he can recover now
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I'd actually disagree with that sentiment. Butch has no sideline instinct, and you just can't be a successful coach at the P5 level without it; Butch has tried coach from a chart and make decisions based on multi-year studies and it's cost the team dearly.
 
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livefaith said:
I disagree, mathematically. If he runs the table (minus Bama which is near statistically impossible) beating LSU and the rest of the East, then he could end the season 9-3. He will NOT be fired for overachieving. Plus, you should consider that after beating USC, playing at least in the same genre vs Bama and beating the rest week in and week out ... there would be a lot to cheer about for fans, and media alike.

Sure, there will be a sizeable fire him contingent. But, in such a scenario the AD would not be willing to burn $9mil and possible another buyout of a new coach. We would make a new years day bowl where we have been stellar under Jones. Win it and he heads to 2018 with a 10-3 overachievement rebuilding year. The argument would be that we could now contend for the SEC and playoff in 18'.

Do I expect it to happen. Not on your life. I witnessed 1st and goal at the 1/2 and the previous 3 years foibles. But, I would love it if it did. It would only happen with stellar coaching in the remaining 8 games. With that and a great roster 2018' would look hopeful.

Its not unprecedented. Stranger things have happened. I remember Tubberville getting another yr after Tarmac gate and how they went undefeated the next year.

Queue the "so you're saying there's a chance gif". All I'm saying is it is not impossible he's finished.
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9-3 would involve a miraculous turnaround... he's not a good enough coach or leader to do it
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
The sad thing for Butch is he was so close so many times. Just a few little tweaks and this could be a world different. Unfortunately he just can't seem to take that next step. And I think it's too late. I don't see any way he can recover now
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No. A few more successes sprinkled in, like an east title, and it would have just taken a bit longer to convince everyone what he was.

I'll tell you what we are: 41 points worse than Georgia. And that was going to be the case no longer how this game or that game in the past would ahve gone. He is out of his element. I have known since the last time I walked out of Neyland Stadium after the 2014 checkered Neyland debacle against Florida.
 
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captain chaos said:
The players he recruited and he is paid to coach? Own it
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That's idiotic. I'm not defending Butch but to say that it's all on him is absolutely false. I assume it was Butch's fault that we missed a thousand tackles against Oklahoma and Florida a couple of years back that could've saved the game?
 
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dcm3w said:
That's idiotic. I'm not defending Butch but to say that it's all on him is absolutely false. I assume it was Butch's fault that we missed a thousand tackles against Oklahoma and Florida a couple of years back that could've saved the game?
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No doubt it's on Butch. One missed tackle: not that's not on Butch. A bunch: that's right in the head coach's lap.
 
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