Butch and Dobbs

[American Pig]

Lie

Demonstrate a lie. Otherwise your claim of 'lie' is a lie.

 

[Vol_is_Lyfe18]

GAVol, That's a fact, not my opinion that both would play. Perhaps you missed the pregame announcement that both would play? The TV announcer lady brought it up in pregame. Apparently, the student section seemed to know that Peterman would play briefly against Bama, followed by Dobbs for the balance.

I do think the sudden flurry of scores in the second quarter kept things interesting. Dobbs surprised Bama with his strong running threat and put up a touchdown and field goal by half. It took Bama a while to adjust to Dobbs mobility. It took major pressure off the O-line. Why mess with it?

Honestly, Butch knows Peterman doesn't merely need 'snaps under his belt' as much as he needs a chance to settle down and get in the flow of a game. He needs to establish some rhythm, chemistry and get into the flow. The problem has been that Peterman keeps 'getting snaps' against ferocious defenses that blitz him incessantly. He is getting smashed two seconds after the ball is snapped and has never played any length of time in a reasonably winnable situation.

Trust me, Butch understands the predicament. He knows Peterman is the best raw passer in the stable, but may never get a chance to develop. He knows Dobbs has the mobility, is game ready and represents a formidable running threat enough to win games now. He is also expressing his concern over Dobbs longstanding problem with erratic throwing (inconsistency) that might never be corrected.

How do you know Peterman has the best raw passing skills? And then you go on to criticize Dobbs and say he's an erratic passer. Well in that case, he has time to improve.

You say Peterman has played ferocious Ds, but so has Dobbs. Alabama twice, and Mizzou last year. Dobbs has shown more in game, and Butch is certainly smart enough to see that. That's why Peterman isn't playing. His ceiling isn't as high as Dobbs'.

 

[American Pig]

Doh...sorry. Meant to say Pigs are still lying....

Demonstrate a lie. You can't. Your claim that I lied is a lie.
Now crawl back in your hole liar. You have no case.

 

[BeecherVol]

It's like predicting what will happen to the bacon at the Shoney's breakfast bar.

Without holding judgement that is an overwhelming fact.

Another would be #2 being more relevant than #1 after said bacon is removed.

 

[VFL1953]

Demonstrate a lie. You can't. Your claim that I lied is a lie.
Now crawl back in your hole liar. You have no case.

Lol, you desperately need some new material. But, my most obvious troll was successful. Too easy. Your troll fu is weak, Scrubhopper.

 

[Guyute]

Spare me the BS excuses Beecher. The fact is Peterman won the number 2 spot. A mountain of evidence supports that fact. All the evidence supports that fact. If you want to lie to yourself and write your own narrative, that's your prerogative, but I'm not an idiot. I follow the evidence - evidence you consistently ignore and never answered.

Don't pretend your rank speculations about recent coaching decisions are evidence that overturn well-established facts, while the solid facts and evidence I laid out are 'speculation'. You only indict yourself and lose my respect.

So after countless posts, two threads,rhetoric that would make a politician hit "ignore" and a jingoistic cacophony of TRUTH, EVIDENCE and FACTS I have honestly forgotten what your point was, little buddy.

Is it simply that Peterman was #2 on the depth chart and that there was never an intention to redshirt Dobbs?

Honest question that is being asked because you have trolled two threads for weeks. From what I can tell, your intent is to simply vomit accusations and insults that don't actually defend any tangible argument. Please re-state your original thesis.

If you ignore my request and won't, or if you call me a liar, or idiot or any other dismissive pejorative then we can all agree that this isn't about UT, Peterman or Dobbs.

If you can't tell me what position you are defending then we will know this had only been about YOU and how much attention you can get.

And if it is, kudos! I usually go to the zoo to watch something play in its own $h!t but you have had your moments.

 

[mcompton]

Lulz...I like this guy

 

[UT-Rex]

Quote:
Originally Posted by BeecherVol View Post
So Peterman should see some early snaps this weekend against a manageable UK defense?

No, Peterman firmly won the two spot, Dobbs at three, but with the benefit of the number one spot in result of a season ending injury to Worley.

I'm seeing a mathematical equation here:

1/3 Dobbs X (23/40 +301 + 0 sacks) / SEC Off Player of Week + (166 / 45-42) > Constant 2 spot ...or something like that.

 

[theFallGuy]

No, I'm just a guy who watched the preseason QB competition for hours where Peterman was clearly the most skilled passer in the stable.

I watched hours of passing drills to form my opinion. You formed your superficial opinion based on the few short minutes of a rookie being thrown to wolves. You have no basis for your superficial judgement. Your opinion is ill-informed and knee-jerk. Mine is informed. See the difference Spanky? Good.

Peterman still sux

 

[butchna]

We already know about your superficial opinion based on so little playing time. Stupidity is cheap. Smart people would withhold judgement until he gets some real time.

Those smart people might not get the opportunity to display their intelligence...the way it's going.

 

[joevol33]

Should I feel bad for liking this thread so much?

 

[508mikey]

Tell me where I failed? You can't.

Now run along spanky. Sore losers are a dime a dozen.

how am I a sore loser - I was for Worley until he was injured - now I am for Dobbs -- you sound like the sore loser because your boy Peterman wont be playing anymore

 

[KBVol]

Hey! Where'd everybody go? We just can't let this thread die.....

Ok, Peterman was having a really bad game BEFORE he injured his THUMB vs Florida..... and American Pig absolutely sucks. There.....discuss.....

 

[GAVol]

Hey! Where'd everybody go? We just can't let this thread die.....

Ok, Peterman was having a really bad game BEFORE he injured his THUMB vs Florida..... and American Pig absolutely sucks. There.....discuss.....

You're a lying liar that lies in wait to lie to make others swallow lies in an effort to brainwash them with your mental lye soap.

 

[KBVol]

You're a lying liar that lies in wait to lie to make others swallow lies in an effort to brainwash them with your mental lye soap.

There us go GA....way to give it the OL' college try. Knew it could count on ya!

Edit: next time, could you tell me how I'm a superficial coward as well??

 

[butchna]

There us go GA....way to give it the OL' college try. Knew it could count on ya!

Edit: next time, could you tell me how I'm a superficial coward as well??

.

 

[Guyute]

GAVol, That's a fact, not my opinion that both would play. Perhaps you missed the pregame announcement that both would play? The TV announcer lady brought it up in pregame. Apparently, the student section seemed to know that Peterman would play briefly against Bama, followed by Dobbs for the balance.

I should really stop but...

This is my FAVORITE line by our friend by far. I'm no lawyer but if I declare something to be a FACT and then reference the student section and "the tv announcer lady" as my sources, my credibility may be called into question.

The tv announcer lady, the student section and your neighbor's talking dog are now banned as "evidence" or "proof".

...you big liar, you.

 

[sjt18]

That's cute. Ignorant, but cute. Peterman didn't fail at Bama. The gametime was scripted and announced before the game. Apparently you failed to pay attention (see the pattern?).

:lolabove::lolabove: So.... they scripted to have "#3" play all but the first two series of the game no matter how well "#2" did?

For those who like contortionists... your treatment of plain facts is truly entertaining.

Notice that your answer was prefaced by an attempt to poison the well. I don't know if you are intentionally dishonest or if its just a habit you've picked up and made part of your persona. But doing what you did IS dishonest.

Your objection failed Mikey. Now pick a number and get in line.

It wasn't an objection... it was an "argument".lol:lol:lol:

 

[BigTCountry]

Not taking up for pig, he can fight his own battles. But, your simply wrong about Peterman not winning the backup or #2 spot. He most certainly did. Not just my opinion, it has been reported as such many times from the media. I just posted part of an article by Ryan Callahan from 24/7 sports that pretty much sums it up.

you may be right but you still have to take pre-season with a grain a salt any football follower, coach, player, knows this and its so hard for some people to take anything with a grain of salt. Pre-season stats, playing time, depth chart, etc. does not matter. Every QB comes out of preseason with some kind've grade. In reference to your post where you said Dobbs had several days that he did not appear to look like an SEC QB, I'm sure thats true but Im sure you could more than likely say Worley and Peterman also had some days where they struggled. Thats why you practice.

The reason everyones argueing with PIG about the past, is now that the present does not necessarily line up with what we were told. Not saying that what we were told in the reports wasnt true but im implying that the pre-season reports shouldve been taken with a grain of salt.

whn the lights come on and its football time in Tennessee anything can happen. Dobbs has now proved the present and grown into a better QB. People believe in him more than they ever have, and thats why the arguement with PIG is a wildfire. Why get caught up on facts that are not important. Even he stated Dobbs should be the starter. So why argue?:clapping:

 

[sjt18]

Funny....back then, you claimed that certain players where starters AS OF FACT, based on the limited media sessions given throughout Fall Camp. Could you have PROVED it then?

No. I didn't. I said that everything the coaches were doing pointed to Worley being the starter. People were following after all sorts of "reports" based on partial practice views that alternately Ferguson, Dobbs, or Peterman were pressuring Worley.

I looked at the fact that virtually every time they went into team mode... Worley went out first with the ones and got the most reps with the ones.

I read the "tea leaves", applied a little common sense, and.... turned out to be correct.

 

[sjt18]

Should I feel bad for liking this thread so much?

Do you like teasing kittens too?

 

[sjt18]

Spare me the BS excuses Beecher. The fact is Peterman won the number 2 spot. A mountain of evidence supports that fact. All the evidence supports that fact.

You repeat this mantra like some brainwashed cult follower.... and yet you never get around to actually pointing to a single fact that actually supports the notion that Peterman "won" the #2 spot.

Don't pretend your rank speculations about recent coaching decisions are evidence that overturn well-established facts, while the solid facts and evidence I laid out are 'speculation'. You only indict yourself and lose my respect.

All you have done is speculate. Irrationally at that. You say that since Peterman was named back up that he must have "won" that role... in spite of the clearly proven "fact" that Dobbs was not a consideration for the #2 job as long as Worley was healthy. They wanted to RS him. That has been proven multiple times. He was no longer in the pool of people that could be considered for #2 once that decision was made.

 

[FLSTF-VOL]

you may be right but you still have to take pre-season with a grain a salt any football follower, coach, player, knows this and its so hard for some people to take anything with a grain of salt. Pre-season stats, playing time, depth chart, etc. does not matter. Every QB comes out of preseason with some kind've grade. In reference to your post where you said Dobbs had several days that he did not appear to look like an SEC QB, I'm sure thats true but Im sure you could more than likely say Worley and Peterman also had some days where they struggled. Thats why you practice.

The reason everyones argueing with PIG about the past, is now that the present does not necessarily line up with what we were told. Not saying that what we were told in the reports wasnt true but im implying that the pre-season reports shouldve been taken with a grain of salt.

whn the lights come on and its football time in Tennessee anything can happen. Dobbs has now proved the present and grown into a better QB. People believe in him more than they ever have, and thats why the arguement with PIG is a wildfire. Why get caught up on facts that are not important. Even he stated Dobbs should be the starter. So why argue?:clapping:

I'm not debating the present with anyone. It speaks for its self. The statement was made that Peterman did not win the backup job, which is simply not true. The very fact that he (Peterman) was listed as the #2 behind Worley makes that a fact. Not conjecture, but fact. All rationalization in the world will not change that as "fact". By all accounts Peterman did in fact outperform Dobbs in camp.

Coach's don't make decisions based on "perception or possible" they have to make them based on what they see in practice. They may have thought that Dobbs had the potential, but they couldn't make that decision based on 'thought". Football is a performance based business, perform in practice, perform well in a game and you play. They could have taken a chance on Dobbs, but based on practice it could have been a losing proposition if he didn't perform how they may have "thought" he could. Does anyone think coach's make decisions based on "thought"? Peterman on the other hand, had probably shown the staff what they were looking for in "practice".

I don't know any of this as fact, but by Peterman being named the backup and from all the reports about Dobbs performing badly its really the logical answer.

All this other stuff is just conjecture from people defending their opinions. Its all perception, until someone on the staff comes out and makes a statement proclaiming that Dobbs was the true #2, not Peterman, its a mute point.

Dobbs is the #1 right now and is playing well. That's all that really matters.

 

[jbradley1382]

As a big fan of both I am trying to figure out their relationship. After the last two outings Dobbs seems to be a prime time player, but listening to Butch his praise is very limited. OK I assume I know what butch is doing but without Dobbs cool demeanor and the team's belief in Josh no way we have a QB on this team other than him who could have gotten that done. Tough love but really? How bout some praise?

Dobbs has only lead us to one victory this year, granted he's done it with pretty dominating stats but I think Butch knows that the best is yet to come

 

[perico]

Let's debate who was ahead on the depth chart.
Brandon Stewart or Petyon Manning?
It's just as relevant as this current debate.

Yaw yaw yaw yaw Brent Schaeffaaa