Bash Dooley here....

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OrangeLovinJoe said:
And 8282 knows more about me than I do, so I have stopped responding to him. Even though he keeps typing percentages and putting quotes around the word "facts" but still hasn't supported his beliefs with actual "facts" or any real "knowledge." But he is certain that I have no football knowledge. He has mentioned that numerous times. Although he doesn't know my background, my stances, or anyone I may know, he knows my knowledge base is approaching zero. I leave anything out, 8282?
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You stated that I hope that Dooley fails. You stated that as a fact. That's why I put quotes around the word. When did I say that I hope that he fails? When did I claim that my 70-75% chance of Dooley failing should be construed as a fact? That's why I said "I believe" or "I think" beforehand.

I don't have to know much about you or your intelligence to know that if this is seriously your argument, then you're not splitting the atom anytime soon.
 
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Your correction was accurate. My point was that no one has scored more than 35 on Wilcox's D since.

BTW the last team to score 35 on Boise was LA Tech...:neener2:
 
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zach0105 said:
Your correction was accurate. My point was that no one has scored more than 35 on Wilcox's D since.

BTW the last team to score 35 on Boise was LA Tech...:neener2:
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Oh no you didn't!!

Well then we're double screwed
 
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LawVol13 said:
If I start touting Gene Chizik, then everyone on here feel free to call me anything you like because I would deserve it.
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Thats cool dude, since you went after me for nothing more than saying something you disagreed with, Ill be sure to show you the same courtesy in the future.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Tell that to all the kiffinites around here who like to blather on about those moral victories against Florida and Bama.
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checkerboards09 said:
Kiffin does
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lylsmorr said:
Kiffin is an loudmouthed pompous ass too
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There's your answer my friend
tvolsfan said:
I agree, but that doesn't make me any more optimistic. I'd say a large majority of coaches would fail in UT's current situation. I can't say I know exactly how good of a coach Dooley is, but I have no reason to see why he's not in that large majority.
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I absolutely understand where you are coming from
 
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sjt18 said:
That would have been one of the likely scenarios no matter who UT hired... big name or not.
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Probably true, but unfortunately we won't get the opportunity to find out

More importantly, we won't have the success the big name brought with him to fall back on as evidence that he can do the job and just needs time.

It's going to be hard to sell a recruit on the idea that things are going to turn around without evidence on the field this fall--and that is going to be very hard to produce.
 
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zach0105 said:
Your correction was accurate. My point was that no one has scored more than 35 on Wilcox's D since.

BTW the last team to score 35 on Boise was LA Tech...:neener2:
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I'm sure that both Boise and LSU had the LA Tech game circled as a major hurdle going into the season.

For LSU, it would rank right up there with the game we have with Memphis. They could make it close with us, too. Would that be evidence that we should hire their coach?
 
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utmba93 said:
I'm sure that both Boise and LSU had the LA Tech game circled as a major hurdle going into the season.

For LSU, it would rank right up there with the game we have with Memphis. They could make it close with us, too. Would that be evidence that we should hire their coach?
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Way to take a comment I was making jokingly and act like I was making a valid argument.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
You stated that I hope that Dooley fails. You stated that as a fact. That's why I put quotes around the word. When did I say that I hope that he fails? When did I claim that my 70-75% chance of Dooley failing should be construed as a fact? That's why I said "I believe" or "I think" beforehand.

I don't have to know much about you or your intelligence to know that if this is seriously your argument, then you're not splitting the atom anytime soon.
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Maybe the word "hope" was not the correct word to use, and I apologize for that. But it doesn't take a symbologist to read into your posts that you are not supportive of the staff. I appreciate your little quips about my intelligence, and the way that you can move the words of my posts around to make them say what you want them to, so that you can make yourself think your argument is gold. I said nothing about your percentages being a fact. There were two separate parts of that sentence, one about percentages and one about your using the word facts without presenting any "facts."

That is all I am gonna say to you. Go along and attempt to belittle someone else you know nothing about. hey, maybe you could use your little "misspell to make fun of East Tennesseans" move. That one always works!
 
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zach0105 said:
Way to take a comment I was making jokingly and act like I was making a valid argument.
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Sorry... but there are several folks making a similar comment about those moral victories in a serious fashion. I've just read it a few times and used your post to make my point.

My bad. :hi:
 
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utmba93 said:
Sorry... but there are several folks making a similar comment about those moral victories in a serious fashion. I've just read it a few times and used your post to make my point. :hi:
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No problem. I don't care much for moral victories either. But, I do respect that Dooley at least made LA Tech marginally competitive in that game and a few others.
 
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zach0105 said:
No problem. I don't care much for moral victories either. But, I do respect that Dooley at least made LA Tech marginally competitive in that game and a few others.
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Worst coach La Tech has had since 1929, who was there more than a year. (by W-L)
 
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utmba93 said:
Probably true, but unfortunately we won't get the opportunity to find out
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Why is that unfortunate? If DD flames out and at a minimum leaves a roster with 85 scholarship players on it then the "guy" will still be out there... he will not have been burned up in this rebuilding process.

More importantly, we won't have the success the big name brought with him to fall back on as evidence that he can do the job and just needs time.
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Which should make it clear cut. If there was a "name" say... Weiss 8 years ago... then you squander 2-4 years debating how much longer he should get before cutting the cord.

If DD doesn't look like a Grand Slam in 2 or 3 years then there shouldn't be much debate.

It's going to be hard to sell a recruit on the idea that things are going to turn around without evidence on the field this fall--and that is going to be very hard to produce.
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There was a time when I would have agreed. But the last couple of seasons have shifted me some.

Clawson and his gang were on the way to having a solid top 10 or even top 5 class even as rumors swirled concerning Fulmer's future. Most if not all those kids were willing to stay after the change. Kiffin salvaged a number 10 class.

Kiffin likewise was on his way to having a solid top 10 or top 5 class. He left UT creating a a huge uproar. Dooley who was an unknown salvaged a #9 class.

UT has facilities and other things to sell aside from the coaches even though Kiffin recruited largely like it didn't. Moreover, alot of HS kids from good football states want the chance to play early and especially if it is for a historically great program. They have seen enough guys do it to hold out hope that they can too if they find the right program... Right now, there's no program more "right" than the Vols in that respect.

I think "on the field" can hurt UT in '12 recruiting but not so much '11. As long as the higher ups don't hesitate on the trigger after the '12 season should things go poorly... there will be plenty of talent to compete on the roster.
 
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sjt18 said:
Why is that unfortunate? If DD flames out and at a minimum leaves a roster with 85 scholarship players on it then the "guy" will still be out there... he will not have been burned up in this rebuilding process.

Which should make it clear cut. If there was a "name" say... Weiss 8 years ago... then you squander 2-4 years debating how much longer he should get before cutting the cord.

If DD doesn't look like a Grand Slam in 2 or 3 years then there shouldn't be much debate.

There was a time when I would have agreed. But the last couple of seasons have shifted me some.

Clawson and his gang were on the way to having a solid top 10 or even top 5 class even as rumors swirled concerning Fulmer's future. Most if not all those kids were willing to stay after the change. Kiffin salvaged a number 10 class.

Kiffin likewise was on his way to having a solid top 10 or top 5 class. He left UT creating a a huge uproar. Dooley who was an unknown salvaged a #9 class.

UT has facilities and other things to sell aside from the coaches even though Kiffin recruited largely like it didn't. Moreover, alot of HS kids from good football states want the chance to play early and especially if it is for a historically great program. They have seen enough guys do it to hold out hope that they can too if they find the right program... Right now, there's no program more "right" than the Vols in that respect.

I think "on the field" can hurt UT in '12 recruiting but not so much '11. As long as the higher ups don't hesitate on the trigger after the '12 season should things go poorly... there will be plenty of talent to compete on the roster.
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Try Top 3.
 
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volwarrior33 said:
Worst coach La Tech has had since 1929, who was there more than a year. (by W-L)
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Took them to a bowl for the first time in 7 years. Could have had a great record if his team wasn't riddled with injuries his third year. Improved the defensive and special teams discipline wise and improved them statistically every year he was there.

But all that doesn't matter because he has a losing record with a losing team in a losing conference. Oh well...
 
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OrangeLovinJoe said:
Maybe the word "hope" was not the correct word to use, and I apologize for that. But it doesn't take a symbologist to read into your posts that you are not supportive of the staff. I appreciate your little quips about my intelligence, and the way that you can move the words of my posts around to make them say what you want them to, so that you can make yourself think your argument is gold. I said nothing about your percentages being a fact. There were two separate parts of that sentence, one about percentages and one about your using the word facts without presenting any "facts."

That is all I am gonna say to you. Go along and attempt to belittle someone else you know nothing about. hey, maybe you could use your little "misspell to make fun of East Tennesseans" move. That one always works!
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How can my stance that I hope that this staff does really well and wins multiple championships here be construed as not being supportive? You need to look up the difference between "think"/"believe" and "hope." I don't THINK that they will succeed, but I HOPE that they do. Get it? Doubt it.
 
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zach0105 said:
Took them to a bowl for the first time in 7 years. Could have had a great record if his team wasn't riddled with injuries his third year. Improved the defensive and special teams discipline wise and improved them statistically every year he was there.

But all that doesn't matter because he has a losing record with a losing team in a losing conference. Oh well...
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You’re serious? They won four games. They must have lost Adrian Peterson and Peyton Manning if they were going to be great before all of their injuries.
 
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volwarrior33 said:
You’re serious? They won three games. They must have lost Adrian Peterson and Peyton Manning if they were going to be great before all of their injuries.
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Not Adrian Peterson of Peyton Manning. But most of the returning squad that had won 8 the year before. Plus most of the second string guys and maybe even some third. Which put them playing true freshman that should have never seen the field for any team as a freshman.
 
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sjt18 said:
Why is that unfortunate? If DD flames out and at a minimum leaves a roster with 85 scholarship players on it then the "guy" will still be out there... he will not have been burned up in this rebuilding process.
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Two reasons that it's unfortunate: (1) we owe Dooley for 6 years and not one and (2) there is little reason to believe that if he's flaming out at UT that he'll be able to recruit.

How did I imply that someone else would burn up during Dooley's time at UT?

I do think that if someone becomes available who actually does have the skill to beat Saban and Meyer, we need to cut bait on Dooley and move on. It doesn't take 5 years to figure out if a coach with a losing record in the WAC can win in the SEC.

Heck, we spent 3-days to hire him. Why on earth would it take 5 years to fire him?
 
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zach0105 said:
Not Adrian Peterson of Peyton Manning. But most of the returning squad that had won 8 the year before. Plus most of the second string guys and maybe even some third. Which put them playing true freshman that should have never seen the field for any team as a freshman.
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That “great team” was blown out in the first game of the season before their superstars were injured.
 
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