Bash Dooley here....

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volwarrior33 said:
That “great team” was blown out in the first game of the season before their superstars were injured.
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I never said they were a "great team" just one good enough to go 8-5 or maybe 9-4. But way to try and take things out of context to make a "point". Also, the team that blew them out was Auburn.

EDIT: now I see where you are getting your "great team" stuff. By great record I meant another 8-9 win season. For LA Tech, that's a great record.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
How can my stance that I hope that this staff does really well and wins multiple championships here be construed as not being supportive? You need to look up the difference between "think"/"believe" and "hope." I don't THINK that they will succeed, but I HOPE that they do. Get it? Doubt it.
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Ok, you need to read the words I type, in the order in which they are typed. Nothing, in any post I have ever read of yours, supports the fact that you hope they succeed. How can you "hope" they succeed, while at the same time giving them very little chance to do so? And you give them zero time to try to succeed before you start crying aloud that you do not "think/believe" (did I use those correctly that time, professor?) that they can.

And again, I get it that you are far smarter than me and anyone I know, but you can stop with the belittling comments.
 
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sjt18 said:
By winning percentage, Kiffin was the worst coach UT has had since 1963.

If records cannot lie as you guys suggest then... good riddance.
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If that record stands at the end of this year, Dooley is safe. If not, who knows?
 
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OrangeLovinJoe said:
Ok, you need to read the words I type, in the order in which they are typed. Nothing, in any post I have ever read of yours, supports the fact that you hope they succeed. How can you "hope" they succeed, while at the same time giving them very little chance to do so? And you give them zero time to try to succeed before you start crying aloud that you do not "think/believe" (did I use those correctly that time, professor?) that they can.

And again, I get it that you are far smarter than me and anyone I know, but you can stop with the belittling comments.
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No, I'm reading the words that you've typed and wow... just wow. That was a real gem right there.
 
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This thread title has the potential to rival the 'Fulmer Debate' threads.

Nice idea, OP.
 
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utmba93 said:
Two reasons that it's unfortunate: (1) we owe Dooley for 6 years and not one and
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If he's not performing, the buyout will not be a challenge and especially if a big name is out there for UT.
(2) there is little reason to believe that if he's flaming out at UT that he'll be able to recruit.
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Do the timeline. He's already had this class and will probably do well in '11 by the looks of it. Even if '12 recruiting suffers because of a poor '11 season and he's fired in '12 on about the same schedule as Fulmer, the new coach can easily salvage '13.

The one thing I am relatively confident of at this point is that Dooley will leave the roster better than it is if the decision makers don't wait too long.

How did I imply that someone else would burn up during Dooley's time at UT?
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Not what I meant. I just would have hated to have burned through a quality coach like Calhoun or other names mentioned here. Those guys can still be the UT coach but with a much better set up in 3 years.

I do think that if someone becomes available who actually does have the skill to beat Saban and Meyer, we need to cut bait on Dooley and move on. It doesn't take 5 years to figure out if a coach with a losing record in the WAC can win in the SEC.
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I think I will be able to tell after the '12 season. UT should see dividends from the '09-'11 classes by then. If Fulmer was beating everyone but UF and Bama with recruiting that alternated good year/needs year... then DD should be better than that.

Heck, we spent 3-days to hire him. Why on earth would it take 5 years to fire him?
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Agree. I like him. I hope he will do very well. I'm not here to bad mouth him or declare him a failure before he has a chance.

OTOH, there should be no hesitation when the time comes to make a decision.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
No, I'm reading the words that you've typed and wow... just wow. That was a real gem right there.
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I am serious. How can you love your favorite team and at the same time not somehow give them a chance to win? I guess with wisdom so vast it is easy for you, but I just cannot do it. I have never said Dooley was the perfect hire, but I can believe tat he can win.

(Which excerpt will you pick out of this post so you can disregard the rest?)
 
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sjt18 said:
If he's not performing, the buyout will not be a challenge and especially if a big name is out there for UT. Do the timeline. He's already had this class and will probably do well in '11 by the looks of it. Even if '12 recruiting suffers because of a poor '11 season and he's fired in '12 on about the same schedule as Fulmer, the new coach can easily salvage '13.

The one thing I am relatively confident of at this point is that Dooley will leave the roster better than it is if the decision makers don't wait too long.

Not what I meant. I just would have hated to have burned through a quality coach like Calhoun or other names mentioned here. Those guys can still be the UT coach but with a much better set up in 3 years.

I think I will be able to tell after the '12 season. UT should see dividends from the '09-'11 classes by then. If Fulmer was beating everyone but UF and Bama with recruiting that alternated good year/needs year... then DD should be better than that.



Agree. I like him. I hope he will do very well. I'm not here to bad mouth him or declare him a failure before he has a chance.

OTOH, there should be no hesitation when the time comes to make a decision.
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Good post, SJT18. There's not much I find disagreement with there.

I mostly feel far less comfortable about our exit strategy than you do. And, I have less confidence in CDD's ability to recruit under the circumstances I expect him to face.

If he has a bad season (5 or less wins), doesn't pull in a slew of linemen in the '11 class, and both he and Hamilton are still employed by UT in March 2011, invest in the Glenlivet Distillery as I'm going to make it work for you. :)
 
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OrangeLovinJoe said:
I am serious. How can you love your favorite team and at the same time not somehow give them a chance to win?
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Realistic thoughts. Dooley has not given the fan base anything to assure that he can win at this level. However, we haven't seen him coach a game so we don't know for sure.
 
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OrangeLovinJoe said:
I have just been reading his drivel, not posting because I would like to know what he does have to say about it. But he just keeps saying he has said it before, like anyone cares enough to remember what he said.

And 8282 knows more about me than I do, so I have stopped responding to him. Even though he keeps typing percentages and putting quotes around the word "facts" but still hasn't supported his beliefs with actual "facts" or any real "knowledge." But he is certain that I have no football knowledge. He has mentioned that numerous times. Although he doesn't know my background, my stances, or anyone I may know, he knows my knowledge base is approaching zero. I leave anything out, 8282?
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I think he just likes the attention, its for sure hes the one with no knowledge.he has yet to answer any post with an answer.
 
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OrangeLovinJoe said:
I am serious. How can you love your favorite team and at the same time not somehow give them a chance to win? I guess with wisdom so vast it is easy for you, but I just cannot do it. I have never said Dooley was the perfect hire, but I can believe tat he can win.

(Which excerpt will you pick out of this post so you can disregard the rest?)
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That's great if you can do that, but you're not living in reality.

Again, your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. I didn't say that they don't have a chance to win. But, why mix actual facts into your argument? Why start now, eh?
 
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tnvols72 said:
I think he just likes the attention, its for sure hes the one with no knowledge.he has yet to answer any post with an answer.
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If you would post a legitimate and legible question I'd be glad to answer it.
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tnvols72 said:
I think he just likes the attention, its for sure hes the one with no knowledge.he has yet to answer any post with an answer.
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Oh I know. He yet to make a valid point, other than the fact that I am inferior to him in all ways. Anyway, I have a cousin that is a fireman in Savannah. Vacating there later this year actually, for his wedding.
 
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tnvols72 said:
whats funny about this loftonfor3 is he loves to complain but he cant name the coach he thinks should be hired at tn ,He has no clue what he talking about ,he is probably still mad because Sanders wasnt offered the job.
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This is what he posted.
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OrangeLovinJoe said:
I have just been reading his drivel, not posting because I would like to know what he does have to say about it. But he just keeps saying he has said it before, like anyone cares enough to remember what he said.

And 8282 knows more about me than I do, so I have stopped responding to him. Even though he keeps typing percentages and putting quotes around the word "facts" but still hasn't supported his beliefs with actual "facts" or any real "knowledge." But he is certain that I have no football knowledge. He has mentioned that numerous times. Although he doesn't know my background, my stances, or anyone I may know, he knows my knowledge base is approaching zero. I leave anything out, 8282?
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This is what you posted in reference to my "drivel."
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So, from what I can tell, this thread has gone from bash Dooley, to the definition of support, and now has landed on make comments about each others intelligence. Quality.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
That's great if you can do that, but you're not living in reality.

Again, your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. I didn't say that they don't have a chance to win. But, why mix actual facts into your argument? Why start now, eh?
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Sorry, but I am finished until you can make a single valid point other than the fact that you are superior. I am getting tired of you going around in circles. You ask why mix facts. But you have uttered ZERO facts since the start. My reading comprehension is fine. You're attention span leaves much to be desired as well. Read an entire post before taking things out of context. But, like you said, why start now, eh?
 
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utmba93 said:
I mostly feel far less comfortable about our exit strategy than you do. And, I have less confidence in CDD's ability to recruit under the circumstances I expect him to face.
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Oh... I don't disagree that there will be some who'll advocate giving him another year... but believe the overwhelming voice of the fans and boosters will make it tough to keep him on.

If he can bring the '11 class home in the top 20 with some quality OL/DL recruits then the set up for a potential next coach will be solid assuming most of the kids are still around.

OL roster in '13 should include: Stone, Fulton, Hood, Revis, Schofield, James, Pair, Posey, and whoever else they add in '11 as upper classmen. That would be the most talented group of OL upperclassmen I can remember at UT in several years.

Similar situation at DL, DB, and WR. We don't know about TE yet but that's an emphasis. QB/RB we don't know but doesn't look to be a hugh problem going forward... and contrary to popular belief Freshmen tend to have as much or more success at those positions as any other. LB is a concern but not a huge one. They seem to be recruiting system specific LB's.
 
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