Bash Dooley here....

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I've said it on previous posts. I'll say it here. Personally I am going to wait and see how things turn out before I start saying this was a good or bad hire. HOWEVER, if you liked Kiffin you should love Dooley. The similiarities are uncanny. Both have less experience than would perhaps be desired for the head coach at UT. Both come from legendary football families. Both have shown an ability to recruit at a high level (DD was Saban's recruiting coordinator at LSU). Both worked for and learned from 2 Head Coaches at the top of the profession (Saban and Carroll). Both had Head Coaching experience at places where it would be tough to win anytime in the next 10 years (Oakland and LA Tech). Both have bright futures in coaching. The main difference I see is that Kiffin found it neccesary to gain attention through immature comments and untrue accusations. Dooley has decided to wait until the fall and try to prove his worth on the field.

I don't know if Dooley will work out or not. But those of you still longing for the glory days (albeit a very short and mediocre time) with Kiffin should be the very ones who are beating the drum for Dooley. We hired another young, unproven head coach who is known to recruit well!
 
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In the big picture of life, Fulmer, Sanders and Cutcliffer are GONE, and it took sooooo many years for people to understand that they were really horrible coaches that I will give ANY UT HC a chance. They may have been decent recruiters, but God did they waste talent like nobody else.
I am glad Kiffin's brashness is gone from our program, but I hoped for a new UT HC with NFL ties and experience. CDD doesn't but, that doesn't mean he cannot coach. I will easily give him 3 years to build a team and if we all get after him on this blog or others, we have seriously little chance of attracting top name recruits.
Coach Dooley has taken on an almost no win situation his first year but, if he knows how to utilize the talent on his team and have the kids believe in him, then he will have a long career at UT. Go Vols!!
 
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Lofton4Three said:
It's the WAC.
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So? If the whole conference is bad, and you lose your starters, it leaves you with worse talent than the rest.

Competition doesn't change just because the WAC isn't a top-flight conference. You act is if he lost to WAC teams with SEC talent. The WAC teams are those who hang around for a little bit, but have no depth. We see it every year. What do you think happens when you lose starters? You go from little to no depth.

You're wrong.
 
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Lofton4Three said:
So with that simple logic it makes sense to hire that coach to be the HC at UT.

That's idiotic.
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It's documented how coaches, players, and fans felt about the direction of that program. You don't come in and win bunches of games building a program.

Think of how long it will take us to rebuild...imagine doing that at a place that can't recruit.
 
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jwells said:
It's documented how coaches, players, and fans felt about the direction of that program. You don't come in and win bunches of games building a program.

Think of how long it will take us to rebuild...imagine doing that at a place that can't recruit.
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I'm thinking how long it will take to turn it around because we hired the clown that couldn't turn around La. Tech.
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jwells said:
So? If the whole conference is bad, and you lose your starters, it leaves you with worse talent than the rest.

Competition doesn't change just because the WAC isn't a top-flight conference. You act is if he lost to WAC teams with SEC talent. The WAC teams are those who hang around for a little bit, but have no depth. We see it every year. What do you think happens when you lose starters? You go from little to no depth.

You're wrong.
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Every team has injuries. He wasn't playing Florida and Alabama with WAC players. That's just a poor excuse.
 
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SGMVols said:
Every team has injuries. He wasn't playing Florida and Alabama with WAC players. That's just a poor excuse.
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Yeah, just Auburn, LSU, and Boise State.

His team, by and large, competed well with the hand he was dealt.
 
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utmba93 said:
He never said they picked up talent... only that there was talent everywhere around them ('hotbed'). That'd be the state of LA.

It explains how Les Miles can beat Miss State.
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Exactly, so why would talented kids wanna go to a school that's inferior and in a weak conference? You can't bash DD for not having top notch talent. Comparing Lsu and la tech is unrealistic.
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IndianaVolunteer said:
Exactly, so why would talented kids wanna go to a school that's inferior and in a weak conference? You can't bash DD for not having top notch talent. Comparing Lsu and la tech is unrealistic.
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You can certainly blame him for losing to Idaho and Utah State in his 3rd year there. Were those teams loaded with talent last year? Didn't think so.
 
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Lofton4Three said:
So with that simple logic it makes sense to hire that coach to be the HC at UT.

That's idiotic.
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You gotta start SOMEWHERE.

Urban Meyer came from Utah I believe, ya they had good years there but look Florida took him, and won bigtime! So with all your its the WAC talk it makes sense to say that urban was a bad hire bc he coached in the mountain west conference?!

Say all you want, CDD put la tech into better shape then when he first took over.
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IndianaVolunteer said:
You gotta start SOMEWHERE.

Urban Meyer came from Utah I believe, ya they had good years there but look Florida took him, and won bigtime! So with all your its the WAC talk it makes sense to say that urban was a bad hire bc he coached in the mountain west conference?!

Say all you want, CDD put la tech into better shape then when he first took over.
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Urban Meyer actually won at Utah. And the Mountain West is far superior to the WAC.

If Dooley left Louisiana Tech so much better than he found it, why does his record suggest that it's in exactly the same shape?
 
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SGMVols said:
You can certainly blame him for losing to Idaho and Utah State in his 3rd year there. Were those teams loaded with talent last year? Didn't think so.
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Oh hey what's up SMGUSC?! ya you can't put injuries on CDD either nice try. Say whatever you want the injury bug killed that team.
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IndianaVolunteer said:
Oh hey what's up SMGUSC?! ya you can't put injuries on CDD either nice try. Say whatever you want the injury bug killed that team.
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Way to address the post.

Are you trying to say Idaho and Utah State didn't have injuries last year?
 
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SGMVols said:
Way to address the post.

Are you trying to say Idaho and Utah State didn't have injuries last year?
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My bad Trojan! NO I'm not saying that, some teams get it worse then others. Obviously la tech got it worse then most. Boise state was good last yr, didn't la tech play them well? Oh wait I forgot that's the Wac so it doesn't matter!
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IndianaVolunteer said:
My bad Trojan! NO I'm not saying that, some teams get it worse then others. Obviously la tech got it worse then most. Boise state was good last yr, didn't la tech play them well? Oh wait I forgot that's the Wac so it doesn't matter!
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So Dooley's greatest accomplishment as a head coach is a 10 point loss. That completely changes my opinion of him. Wait, never mind, it doesn't.
 
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SGMVols said:
So Dooley's greatest accomplishment as a head coach is a 10 point loss. That completely changes my opinion of him. Wait, never mind, it doesn't.
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Competing well with less talent is decent. So with better talent here at Tennessee to work with doesn't make you feel any better? If not you got problems. Look what Wilcox did with his defense at boise state! When put to the test against teams in better conferences his defense still prevailed.
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IndianaVolunteer said:
Competing well with less talent is decent. So with better talent here at Tennessee to work with doesn't make you feel any better? If not you got problems. Look what Wilcox did with his defense at boise state! When put to the test against teams in better conferences his defense still prevailed.
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He certainly has better talent to work with at UT. That, however, is negated by much tougher competition. He's not playing New Mexico State and San Jose State anymore. He's playing real opponents with real coaches who have elite talent.

Moral victories are fine at South Carolina. Not at Tennessee.
 
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IndianaVolunteer said:
You gotta start SOMEWHERE.

Urban Meyer came from Utah I believe, ya they had good years there but look Florida took him, and won bigtime! So with all your its the WAC talk it makes sense to say that urban was a bad hire bc he coached in the mountain west conference?!

Say all you want, CDD put la tech into better shape then when he first took over.
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Urban won a BCS bowl game at Utah.

Dooley, not so much.

I wouldn't try to compare the two.
 
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SGMVols said:
So Dooley's greatest accomplishment as a head coach is a 10 point loss. That completely changes my opinion of him. Wait, never mind, it doesn't.
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It's not an opinion if it's wrong. You act as if we are placing Dooley on some pedestal as a Golden God that will bring 11ty national championships.

We're not. However, many of us see him as a competent coach that has surrounded himself with good coaching talent and will compete and win at UT.

You, somehow, believe that because he wasn't some 11-1 super star at LaTech, he doesn't know how to coach.

Every team faces some injuries, but not every team goes through a year with countless injuries to starters. He did a good job in LaTech with what he had, but he inherited a crap sandwich. It takes a while to turn that around, and looking at his young roster, I wouldn't be surprised if they do well next year and the year after.
 
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IndianaVolunteer said:
You gotta start SOMEWHERE.

Urban Meyer came from Utah I believe, ya they had good years there but look Florida took him, and won bigtime! So with all your its the WAC talk it makes sense to say that urban was a bad hire bc he coached in the mountain west conference?!

Say all you want, CDD put la tech into better shape then when he first took over.
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As others have pointed out. UM won at Utah.

So your comparison sucks.
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SGMVols said:
So he had a bunch of moral victories. I guess that makes him a legendary coach.
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No one said anything about moral victories, or him being a legendary coach.

It's easy to think you've won an argument when you just make stuff up.
 
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IndianaVolunteer said:
Exactly, so why would talented kids wanna go to a school that's inferior and in a weak conference? You can't bash DD for not having top notch talent. Comparing Lsu and la tech is unrealistic.
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Perhaps because they couldn't qualify for LSU, Bama, etc.
 
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One thing I've looked into while I was bored at work are the complete random 4th quarter breakdowns, or just up-and-down nature that LA Tech had between 2007-2009.

For instance..

2007

Week 2 Vs Hawaii (The same Hawaii team that got throttled by UGA): LA Tech loses in overtime 45-44...courtesy of a failed two point conversion attempt.


2008

Week 1: Victory @ Mississippi State.

After dominating Idaho, they lose to Army, 14-7, allowing a touchdown in the 4th quarter.

Last game of the regular season versus Nevada (a team Dooley never beat during his tenure): After going up 31-14 late in the 3rd quarter, Nevada scores 21 unanswered to win, 35-31.

2009

LA Tech leads LSU 13-10 at halftime, only to lose 24-16. 322-246 yardage difference, in favor of LA Tech.

LA Tech allows two unanswered field goals in the 4th quarter--including the winning one as time expired--against Fresno State to lose, 30-28. LA Tech also has 3 turnovers.

After jumping to a 21-7 first quarter lead against 6-2 Idaho, LA Tech allows 2 TDs in the last 5 minutes to lose the game, 35-34. The PAT on their last touchdown failed. During the game, Idaho allowed 3 turnovers and lost the yardage battle, 547-461.


I'm probably just picking and choosing, as the other outcomes (there was one come-from-behind win against New Mexico state) are pretty..eh..but it's interesting to take a look at the box scores sometimes.
 
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