Barnes:Player Development

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Kevin Punter played 3 more minutes than Moore last year, and had the exact same PPG (10.3).
 
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It's been interesting to see how Barnes has brought along the freshmen

Seems to me Phillips has really come on lately and just the last 2 games has really taken over the backup PG role as opposed to moore.

Alexander has really played well lately and now kasongo seems to be getting more time.

Anyone know if Barnes really slowly worked his freshmen into the rotation like this at Texas or was this just abnormal?

I am always interested to see the different coaching approaches to playing kids early on or not.

If this year is the norm next year will really be a work in progress with all those young guys
 
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Reguardless what is said on the player development. This team is better then what was expected. With some pretty good wins and yes some of the worst loses. What really needs to be compared is this team to last year team and see the differents. Did we get more out the team this year then we did with last year team.
 
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Volswagg1017 said:
Reguardless what is said on the player development. This team is better then what was expected. With some pretty good wins and yes some of the worst loses. What really needs to be compared is this team to last year team and see the differents. Did we get more out the team this year then we did with last year team.
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Well unless this team finishes these last 6 games better than expected the answers to your questions won't be what you want to hear
 
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Volswagg1017 said:
Reguardless what is said on the player development. This team is better then what was expected. With some pretty good wins and yes some of the worst loses. What really needs to be compared is this team to last year team and see the differents. Did we get more out the team this year then we did with last year team.
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Umm... Last year's team and they played hard every game but Alabama. This team have done that( not playing hard, quiting) 4 times so far in my opinion from watching them. Also revisionist history, nobody was sure how good Josh would be especially having to play PG and be the leader and go to guy. Had to play Derek Reece and 205lbs Willie Carmichael at C. Punter was just coming in last season, getting adjusted, and deferred to Josh.
 
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Also everyone points to Barnes work with Punter. Ok well you can then say Donnie developed Josh Richardson. Went from a 10ppg guy Wing to All-SEC PG and NBA player.
 
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pdogg said:
Umm... Last year's team and they played hard every game but Alabama. This team have done that( not playing hard, quiting) 4 times so far in my opinion from watching them. Also revisionist history, nobody was sure how good Josh would be especially having to play PG and be the leader and go to guy. Had to play Derek Reece and 205lbs Willie Carmichael at C. Punter was just coming in last season, getting adjusted, and deferred to Josh.
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If this board would eliminate the resumes, NCAA issues, and admit the truth of what their eyes told them when comparing the two years/coaches they would have to admit that last years team was more consistent, overachieved, and was more successful than this years team.

Now these last 6 games could certainly change that but if the board was being honest with themselves most would admit that
 
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BruinVol said:
If this board would eliminate the resumes, NCAA issues, and admit the truth of what their eyes told them when comparing the two years/coaches they would have to admit that last years team was more consistent, overachieved, and was more successful than this years team.

Now these last 6 games could certainly change that but if the board was being honest with themselves most would admit that
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I would take last year's team over this year's team any day. I really don't see how you can compare the two.
 
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jp1 said:
I would take last year's team over this year's team any day. I really don't see how you can compare the two.
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I agree but it's not a landslide at this point.

This years team has a tad sexier win in Kentucky and has been sexier to watch when good

However this years team has been much more inconsistent and way to much difference in the peaks and valleys
 
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BruinVol said:
I agree but it's not a landslide at this point.

This years team has a tad sexier win in Kentucky and has been sexier to watch when good

However this years team has been much more inconsistent and way to much difference in the peaks and valleys
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In my opinion I think the makeup of this team explains the inconsistencies that we have witnessed. We don't have an inside game at all and aren't really a good, consistent shooting team. The players play hard and are streaky shooters which lends to winning against some decent teams at home. That's pretty much what we've seen.

To really judge the coaching staff on anything at this point really isn't fair. Just enjoy the good games and try not to pull your hair out on the bad ones. Kevin and Armani should be celebrated for the effort that they have put into this and perhaps due to their work better days are ahead.
 
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jp1 said:
In my opinion I think the makeup of this team explains the inconsistencies that we have witnessed. We don't have an inside game at all and aren't really a good, consistent shooting team. The players play hard and are streaky shooters which lends to winning against some decent teams at home. That's pretty much what we've seen.

To really judge the coaching staff on anything at this point really isn't fair. Just enjoy the good games and try not to pull your hair out on the bad ones. Kevin and Armani should be celebrated for the effort that they have put into this and perhaps due to their work better days are ahead.
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Then why are we paying them?
 
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jp1 said:
We don't have an inside game at all and aren't really a good, consistent shooting team. The players play hard and are streaky shooters which lends to winning against some decent teams at home.
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How is that any different than last year's team?
 
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pdogg said:
Also everyone points to Barnes work with Punter. Ok well you can then say Donnie developed Josh Richardson. Went from a 10ppg guy Wing to All-SEC PG and NBA player.
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Josh Richardson improved drastically every year he was here. He's why last year's roster wasn't as disastrous as this one is
 
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VKAman said:
Josh Richardson improved drastically every year he was here. He's why last year's roster wasn't as disastrous as this one is
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Who was more valuable to the each team?

Punter this year

Or

Richardson last year


Imo punter is
 
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BruinVol said:
Who was more valuable to the each team?

Punter this year

Or

Richardson last year


Imo punter is
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Punter is "valuable" because there's nothing around him, but given a choice, I take Richardson easily. Give me the SEC's best defensive player and a future NBA player over a college scorer.

People were talking about consistency; which is more likely to be consistent? Richardson being a monster on defense or Punter scoring 30+?
 
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VKAman said:
Punter is "valuable" because there's nothing around him, but given a choice, I take Richardson easily. Give me the SEC's best defensive player and a future NBA player over a college scorer.

People were talking about consistency; which is more likely to be consistent? Richardson being a monster on defense or Punter scoring 30+?
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I think it's a good conversation with no clear easy answer but IMO this roster this year is about exactly them same in terms of talent and has more depth.

Punter and richardson are very close to a draw in what they do for the team.
 
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pdogg said:
Also everyone points to Barnes work with Punter. Ok well you can then say Donnie developed Josh Richardson. Went from a 10ppg guy Wing to All-SEC PG and NBA player.
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Ehh that's a stretch. Josh came into his own player unde Cuonzo during the final stretch of year 3. I can't recall the stats and I'm too laZy to look, but Josh put up ridiculous stats during our S16 run, he was already proving he was going to be "the guy" the next year.

I give Cuonzo most of the credit for that one. Donnie seemed to point Josh in the right direction from a leadership standpoint.
 
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BruinVol said:
I think it's a good conversation with no clear easy answer but IMO this roster this year is about exactly them same in terms of talent and has more depth.

Punter and richardson are very close to a draw in what they do for the team.
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Richardon was a defensive monster every single night. We won the game @Vandy specifically because of his pressure and easy buckets from steals. AND he was scoring on top of it. I'd take Richardson anyday.

And was a great leader on the court. Punter seems to get overfrustrated when he's not shooting well, and is often looking down out of frustration. You lead by example. Punter is a leader. Just not the kind to pull his team to play to their level.
 
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iKrager said:
Ehh that's a stretch. Josh came into his own player unde Cuonzo during the final stretch of year 3. I can't recall the stats and I'm too laZy to look, but Josh put up ridiculous stats during our S16 run, he was already proving he was going to be "the guy" the next year.

I give Cuonzo most of the credit for that one. Donnie seemed to point Josh in the right direction from a leadership standpoint.
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IMO CDT gets a lot of credit for moore much more so than Richardson
 
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BruinVol said:
IMO CDT gets a lot of credit for moore much more so than Richardson
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Yeah I'd agree with that. Armani was a lot more fun to watch last year. I don't like how Barnes uses Armani. Feel like he's under utilized. As I do with Reese (most are going to laugh and disagree). Reese really came into his own last year. Now he's a tweener rebounder for 10 mins a game.
 
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iKrager said:
Yeah I'd agree with that. Armani was a lot more fun to watch last year. I don't like how Barnes uses Armani. Feel like he's under utilized. As I do with Reese (most are going to laugh and disagree). Reese really came into his own last year. Now he's a tweener rebounder for 10 mins a game.
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Did you see that layup (not sure I can even call it that) against Missouri the other day???
 
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iKrager said:
Yeah I'd agree with that. Armani was a lot more fun to watch last year. I don't like how Barnes uses Armani. Feel like he's under utilized. As I do with Reese (most are going to laugh and disagree). Reese really came into his own last year. Now he's a tweener rebounder for 10 mins a game.
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I disagree on both. Barnes has given Moore the reigns to this team and he simply couldn't fill that role as team leader. Moore is a player without a position, and frankly has been terrible virtually every SEC road game we have played - Something that no Senior should have said about his play. He's had zero learning curve in playing/distributing at the point.
I think Reese minutes are about right at 10. He really is a liability both defensively and offensively.
 
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jp1 said:
So based on this year's performance do we have a good or bad coaching staff? Why?
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Somewhere in the middle

Very average recruiting

Very below average in game coaching

Player development has been slightly above average

Very good game plans
 
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