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pl3 said:
Still struggling with comprehension I see.

I am discussing the plausibility of some of these issues and looking at it from a common sense point of view, rather than an emotional one based off of rumor after rumor.

If you want to be a clown and butt in with a little cheap shot from the gallery, I'm not surprised. You seem to be the guy that would kick from the back of the pack and stay away from the scrum.
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What I'm struggling to understand is how someone who spend most of the season ridiculing and attacking anyone who suggested UT had more issues then depth and inexperience expects to have credibility now.

You then want to question everything one of the most respected posters on the board has to say. You are ridiculous.
 
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BeecherVol said:
The responsibility (even if it filters through an assistant coach) eventually falls on the HC.
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It falls on both but if it gets to the HC that means the assistant coach has failed thus must own some responsibility.
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LWSVOL said:
here is my example for you.

your a manager at Burger King. You have employee that is late coming to work and takes extra breaks. After several counseling sessions, (some of which the employee doesn't show up to), you go to your regional manager with paperwork to fire the employee. You let the RM know that other employees are telling you they are going to quit if something is not done and you have tried discipline and it is ignored.

The RM let's you know that won't work and you must continue to work with the employee.

What would you do?
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So you are saying DaRick was lazy in practice and to meetings and CB wanted to discipline him and Dooley told CB to live with it we need Rogers on the field?????

If this is true, Dooley just lost a very good WR coach and another supporter.
 
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Vol Mayyne said:
I'd say he won't be away from coaching for very long.
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At what level.....seem to think he may be retiring and it is real.....but face it, there has to be an element here on this board....Retirement not good enough....DaRick either caused it, Dooley fired him, or he has got Cancer. He is retiring is not good enough.

People want drama and Choas. It sells better in the media...at the expense of a 19 year old....

If Da Rick did what was said, how long does he get before he is benched....Not saying he didn't but for a closed down type of fellows that CB and CDD are you would think that this would not take this long to come out...

Desperate people do desperate things....We just need to figure out who is desperate....
 
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"He tells me he's retiring. Multiple people have told me it's not about da'rick. Baggett was complimentary to me about Rogers the last few weeks. I don't think da'rick has forced him into retirement."

-Brent Hubbs Volquest

Let's just move on to something else guys.
 
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Peyton Berry said:
So you are saying DaRick was lazy in practice and to meetings and CB wanted to discipline him and Dooley told CB to live with it we need Rogers on the field?????

If this is true, Dooley just lost a very good WR coach and another supporter.
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Ive seen this happen before on the college level. HCoach has his butt on the line and wants certain players on the field. Assist says the player is a slackass and shouldnt be there, HC goes over his head.

Dont know if that happened here, but if I get word from my side (and I may have someone that knows something here) I will report back whatever I hear.
 
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AllVolYall said:
Call it conspiracy if you like. What ever it is, it's not as uncommon as you might think. This friction not only is present in sports settings with HCs and position coaches, but in the corporate world as well. The results are the same.
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I've been in the corporate world and currently have managers and reps reporting to me as a company owner.

It would be ridiculous for me to hire a manager, plan with him, then undermine his efforts in regards to getting a rep straight. That's not how the corporate would works. Subordinates may try to undermine managers, but it would be fruitless as an owner to undermine the one you put in charge of taking care of that particular area of business. Fire? Sure. Undermine. No.
 
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in the near future you will hear that charlie had issues with some coaches. cbb is a good guy, but i think at times the assistant head coach title went to his head. in the end you will see that any differences he had with rogers were very minor.

wrs are a fickle bunch, always have been and always will. cbb handled rogers pretty well. rogers was upset about simms starting this year and he should have handled that situation a little better.
 
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CCB signed on with the understanding it would be brief.
More changes are coming.
Cooler heads/minds prevail...
 
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skeeter33418 said:
in the near future you will hear that charlie had issues with some coaches. cbb is a good guy, but i think at times the assistant head coach title went to his head. in the end you will see that any differences he had with rogers were very minor.

wrs are a fickle bunch, always have been and always will. cbb handled rogers pretty well. rogers was upset about simms starting this year and he should have handled that situation a little better.
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Translation: CB and JC didn't see eye to eye.
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pl3 said:
I've been in the corporate world and currently have managers and reps reporting to me as a company owner.

It would be ridiculous for me to hire a manager, plan with him, then undermine his efforts in regards to getting a rep straight. That's not how the corporate would works. Subordinates may try to undermine managers, but it would be fruitless as an owner to undermine the one you put in charge of taking care of that particular area of business. Fire? Sure. Undermine. No.
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Yes it would be ridiculous, but it does happen. And it happens often. And I have a very good understanding of how the corporate world works.
 
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Orange Blazer said:
"He tells me he's retiring. Multiple people have told me it's not about da'rick. Baggett was complimentary to me about Rogers the last few weeks. I don't think da'rick has forced him into retirement."

-Brent Hubbs Volquest

Let's just move on to something else guys.
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He also says that it was a mutual decision. LWS also says that essentially Dooley asked him to leave. It's not good. He probably had the best resume of anyone on the entire staff and we asked him to leave. Seems pathetic to me.
 
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oklavol said:
What I'm struggling to understand is how someone who spend most of the season ridiculing and attacking anyone who suggested UT had more issues then depth and inexperience expects to have credibility now.

You then want to question everything one of the most respected posters on the board has to say. You are ridiculous.
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More bad info from you as you fail to follow along. I have commented many times, since the LSU game when Simms dropped back from their 45 with 10 seconds left in the first quarter, that some coaching moves were questionable. I have been on Chaney since last year. We also have depth and talent issues that don't allow for coaching mistakes to be covered up so easily, injuries hurt. Not having a sr class to reel in the young ones is something I knew would hurt as well. Again, my stance hasn't changed, so cut the BS.
And I don't know or care, tbh, who the most respected posters on or aren't. If I read something that doesn't make sense to me, I question it's validity, specifically, with all the bs floating around.
LWS mentioned Baggett went to Dooley and asked that he sit Rogers, or send him packing, and DD said "no way". That's what I am questioning. Not "everything the most respected poster says" as your dramatic, stuck in a time warp self seemed to gather.
You're bringing a knife to a gun fight ovol, it'd be best for you to just lurk or maybe have someone translate posts for you.
 
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LawVol13 said:
He also says that it was a mutual decision. LWS also says that essentially Dooley asked him to leave. It's not good. He probably had the best resume of anyone on the entire staff and we asked him to leave. Seems pathetic to me.
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It's not pathetic if it helps the team. Who knows. Maybe the rumors about coaches not trusting each other has something to do with Baggett. All this talk about not one coach being bigger than the program, and we all act like the world is ending because one leaves.
 
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Orange Blazer said:
"He tells me he's retiring. Multiple people have told me it's not about da'rick. Baggett was complimentary to me about Rogers the last few weeks. I don't think da'rick has forced him into retirement."

-Brent Hubbs Volquest

Let's just move on to something else guys.
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No. Baggetts words mean nothing. The rumors that D'rick made a man like Baggett cry, run to the principal for help, then get facepalmed have to be correct.

This place is a joke.
 
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LawVol13 said:
He also says that it was a mutual decision. LWS also says that essentially Dooley asked him to leave. It's not good. He probably had the best resume of anyone on the entire staff and we asked him to leave. Seems pathetic to me.
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chuck smith is a very good dline coach but our team is better without him. hope that makes sense. i know its hard to do, but people just need to let this thing play out.
 
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pl3 said:
No. Baggetts words mean nothing. The rumors that D'rick made a man like Baggett cry, run to the principal for help, then get facepalmed have to be correct.

This place is a joke.
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Come on, pl3. Everyone that has any connection pretty much says that Dooley asked him to leave.
 
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pl3 said:
No. Baggetts words mean nothing. The rumors that D'rick made a man like Baggett cry, run to the principal for help, then get facepalmed have to be correct.

This place is a joke.
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I know. People believe what the choose to. Regardless if it is accurate or not.
 
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skeeter33418 said:
chuck smith is a very good dline coach but our team is better without him. hope that makes sense. i know its hard to do, but people just need to let this thing play out.
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Chuck Smith had never been a d-line coach in his life and isn't one now. Baggett was an incredibly established WR coach. Thompson was already a more established D-line coach than Smith, and he was sitting there on the staff. This isn't even a remotely comparable situation, skeeter. You know that and I know that.
 
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pl3 said:
No. Baggetts words mean nothing. The rumors that D'rick made a man like Baggett cry, run to the principal for help, then get facepalmed have to be correct.

This place is a joke.
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I think you miss the point. A good coach with a good resume just does not have to put up with a bunch of BS.
 
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Orange Blazer said:
I know. People believe what the choose to. Regardless if it is accurate or not.
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The guy who you just used as evidence of your position also said it was a mutual decision. Sounds like you just want to put your head in the sand on this one.
 
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