Baggett gone

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#326
VolsFanRJ said:
I don't want to read through 22 pages, so this might have been discussed. I have heard Baggett did not get fired, but stepped down. Anyone know if this is the case?
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Reports are saying retiring...don't know if it is forced or not.
 
#327
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pl3 said:
No disrespect, but I don't know what LWS said or who he is.
I'm saying that a coach like Baggett should be able to handle his position players. That's his job. If all the assts need the HC to get involved, it won't work.

The WR coach makes the call on who plays his positions and who earns it from practice. If there was an issue, it was in his hands. He's the coach that is with Rogers in every session of practice and every meeting.
That's why you have asst and position coaches. To handle their business.
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Maybe Baggett tried to take control and Dooley said to get Rogers' butt on the field regardless of attitude issues... Dooley has the ultimate authority, and if Baggett didn't think that Dooley backed him up, then I could see why he'd say screw it...
 
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pl3 said:
If you take care of your job, your boss doesn't need to be involved. If it was a problem, Charlie needed to fix it or sit him. Funny how you guys think he went to his bosses to handle Rison, Moss, etc, for him. Those guys were always on or past the edge.
Maybe he's a coach that gets the best out of diva receivers. DR had some good numbers.
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Doesn't need to be and is maybe the difference here.
 
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pl3 said:
No disrespect, but I don't know what LWS said or who he is.
I'm saying that a coach like Baggett should be able to handle his position players. That's his job. If all the assts need the HC to get involved, it won't work.

The WR coach makes the call on who plays his positions and who earns it from practice. If there was an issue, it was in his hands. He's the coach that is with Rogers in every session of practice and every meeting.
That's why you have asst and position coaches. To handle their business.
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And if Dooley said Rogers had to play?
 
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#332
If the biggest issue that these tits could identify with the team was Da'Rick Rogers acting like a teenager and theythe fired the WR coach over it then Dooley's ass needs to hit the road. That is pathetic. The sweet tea and grits philosophy lives. Welcome to Mayberry.
 
#333
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DaddyChad said:
And if Dooley said Rogers had to play?
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If DD said he didn't care, its different. I doubt that occurred.
If DD said "handle it", and baggett didn't or couldn't, that would be why it would be a "mutual decision".
What if baggett just doesn't have the fire or patience?

I could surely see a conversation between he and Dooley regarding what it takes to coach kids nowadays, and Charlie being tired of it.
 
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Calculon said:
If the biggest issue that these tits could identify with the team was Da'Rick Rogers acting like a teenager and theythe fired the WR coach over it then Dooley's ass needs to hit the road. That is pathetic. The sweet tea and grits philosophy lives. Welcome to Mayberry.
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You really think they would fire a coach to keep one player happy?
That's ridiculous.
 
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pl3 said:
No disrespect, but I don't know what LWS said or who he is.
I'm saying that a coach like Baggett should be able to handle his position players. That's his job. If all the assts need the HC to get involved, it won't work.

The WR coach makes the call on who plays his positions and who earns it from practice. If there was an issue, it was in his hands. He's the coach that is with Rogers in every session of practice and every meeting.
That's why you have asst and position coaches. To handle their business.
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here is my example for you.

your a manager at Burger King. You have employee that is late coming to work and takes extra breaks. After several counseling sessions, (some of which the employee doesn't show up to), you go to your regional manager with paperwork to fire the employee. You let the RM know that other employees are telling you they are going to quit if something is not done and you have tried discipline and it is ignored.

The RM let's you know that won't work and you must continue to work with the employee.

What would you do?
 
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LWSVOL said:
here is my example for you.

your a manager at Burger King. You have employee that is late coming to work and takes extra breaks. After several counseling sessions, (some of which the employee doesn't show up to), you go to your regional manager with paperwork to fire the employee.

The RM let's you know that won't work and you must continue to work with the employee.

What would you do?
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Also, LWS, do you think this was all Baggett's decision or do you think he was encouraged to leave by Dooley?
 
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Yes...let's get rid of the coaches we need and keep the ones we don't. Idk what Dooley is doing but he needs to light a fire under his butt and do something. Seems like assistants don't do well under him like Chuck and Baggett...and then Dooley telling Hinshaw to f*** off during the Vandy game. Not good.......at all
 
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LWSVOL said:
here is my example for you.

your a manager at Burger King. You have employee that is late coming to work and takes extra breaks. After several counseling sessions, (some of which the employee doesn't show up to), you go to your regional manager with paperwork to fire the employee. You let the RM know that other employees are telling you they are going to quit if something is not done and you have tried discipline and it is ignored.

The RM let's you know that won't work and you must continue to work with the employee.

What would you do?
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If that's the case, I think the RM needs to go.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Also, LWS, do you think this was all Baggett's decision or do you think he was encouraged to leave by Dooley?
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All the news outlets have Charlie as retiring..which is something he almost did when he was in the NFL, but wanted to take a shot at college ball to soak in the youth...I really do believe that this decision was Charlie's, but Dooley probably didn't put too much of a fight since it makes way for him to coach receivers (his natural position) and hire a big time OC or RB coach...
 
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IndianaVol said:
All the news outlets have Charlie as retiring..which is something he almost did when he was in the NFL, but wanted to take a shot at college ball to soak in the youth...I really do believe that this decision was Charlie's, but Dooley probably didn't put too much of a fight since it makes way for him to coach receivers (his natural position) and hire a big time OC or RB coach...
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dooley cannot be the head coach and coach WRs. that will not work at all.. HC has too many other things to do away frmo complex so WRs would running free with no over sight.. Dooley ain't coaching any position group
 
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LWSVOL said:
here is my example for you.

your a manager at Burger King. You have employee that is late coming to work and takes extra breaks. After several counseling sessions, (some of which the employee doesn't show up to), you go to your regional manager with paperwork to fire the employee. You let the RM know that other employees are telling you they are going to quit if something is not done and you have tried discipline and it is ignored.

The RM let's you know that won't work and you must continue to work with the employee.

What would you do?
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I wouldn't compare any decisions made in coaching to that of a BK manager.

I don't buy for one second that DD took DR's side in a disagreement with Baggett, which made him quit.

And you are telling us that Baggett went to DD to get Rogers kicked off the team, and he said, "no"? I don't buy that either.
 
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oklavol said:
pl3 gets off ripping on other people's posts, don't waste your time.
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Still struggling with comprehension I see.

I am discussing the plausibility of some of these issues and looking at it from a common sense point of view, rather than an emotional one based off of rumor after rumor.

If you want to be a clown and butt in with a little cheap shot from the gallery, I'm not surprised. You seem to be the guy that would kick from the back of the pack and stay away from the scrum.
 
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pl3 said:
I wouldn't compare any decisions made in coaching to that of a BK manager.

I don't buy for one second that DD took DR's side in a disagreement with Baggett, which made him quit.

And you are telling us that Baggett went to DD to get Rogers kicked off the team, and he said, "no"? I don't buy that either.
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okay, thats reasonable....

I agree there were other issues not jsut this one which led to this. but this was a very big part of the separation.. let's see what else transpires after this. might help make things even clearer..

and no he didn't ask, that I'm aware of, to have him kicked off. I'm sure he knew that couldn't happen. maybe sit him down for a game or two....
 
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