Austin Rogers

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Since Josh Briscoe keeps coming up, somebody want to tell me what was "demonstrably and empirically" better about Roger's 2007 season. Most of you guys didn't have any problems giving Briscoe crap.
 
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hndog609 said:
Relax. As I stated in my post I just wanted to be sure anyone reading your post got jerked back to the reality of what a 50/600 season actually demonstrates as opposed to how you presented it. I'll let them use that information to draw whatever educated conclusions they wish.
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Maybe I should have clarified myself earlier, but all of this "proof" and "facts" that you and others have presented, I already know. I know he had a 50-600 season. I know his rankings among other SEC schools and leaders. However, I still think he is a mediocre talent and shouldnt' play for this team. It's not lack of information that brought me to my decision, it's by watching him play.
 
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orangetanker11 said:
It's not a tactic, but thousands of UT fans think AR isn't good enough to be on the field, that, my friend, is a fact. This all started out by me saying that "I, orangetanker11, think he is a turd." Now, that also, my friend, is an opinion. I never said "since I said he is a turd, it must be fact, and you all must refer to him now on as Turd Rogers." I never said that.

Byrd, Murphy, Briscoe, Ingram, and Massaquoi all have the ability to stretch the field and threaten the defense downfield. AR doesn't have this.

I agree that the problem last year was our offensive line, and the "Clawfense." However, if we are going to be an elite team again, I don't believe we can have mediocre talent such as AR seeing significant playing time.
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I would LOVE to see you prove this "fact".
 
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orangetanker11 said:
It is not "demonstrably and empirically incorrect statement." It is how I feel about the "turd."
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I've tried very hard to remain patient with you but I now have to ask... Are you really this dense?

You can "feel" any way you want but that does not change the cold hard fact that your point has been proven (ad nauseum) to be demonstrably and empirically incorrect. Live with it or be open minded enough to change your opinion... but your "feelings" in no way shape what happens to be TRUE.
 
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sjt18 said:
I've tried very hard to remain patient with you but I now have to ask... Are you really this dense?

You can "feel" any way you want but that does not change the cold hard fact that your point has been proven (ad nauseum) to be demonstrably and empirically incorrect. Live with it or be open minded enough to change your opinion... but your "feelings" in no way shape what happens to be TRUE.
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So, you care to answer my question about Briscoe's 2007, since you were the one who stated that Roger's superiority to Briscoe is a statistical fact.
 
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It isn't inconceivable that a portion of the fanbase that is equal to less than a percent think Austin Rogers should not see the field.
 
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orangetanker11 said:
Maybe I should have clarified myself earlier, but all of this "proof" and "facts" that you and others have presented, I already know. I know he had a 50-600 season. I know his rankings among other SEC schools and leaders. However, I still think he is a mediocre talent and shouldnt' play for this team. It's not lack of information that brought me to my decision, it's by watching him play.
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Now THAT is, at least, a workable opinion. Not the easiest to defend on any basis OTHER than opinion mind you, but it can stand as is on what merit is set forth. If you had started with such an "opinion" things would have gone a great deal smoother.

Emain
Statistically Rogers holds a slight lead in production over the last couple years but only by a small margin. I would consider them pretty close as receivers. Having said that Rogers seems to garner more laurels with things like attitude, blocking, reads etc.
 
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hndog609 said:
Now THAT is, at least, a workable opinion. Not the easiest to defend on any basis OTHER than opinion mind you, but it can stand as is on what merit is set forth. If you had started with such an "opinion" things would have gone a great deal smoother.

Emain
Statistically Rogers holds a slight lead in production over the last couple years but only by a small margin. I would consider them pretty close as receivers. Having said that Rogers seems to garner more laurels with things like attitude, blocking, reads etc.
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That's cool, and it wasn't you, but someone was claiming that it's a statistical fact that Rogers is better because he had 100 more yards than Briscoe in 2007
 
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emainvol said:
That's cool, and it wasn't you, but someone was claiming that it's a statistical fact that Rogers is better because he had 100 more yards than Briscoe in 2007
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Overall I'd have to agree with you. While in an all-out-technical statement AR's #'s were better I'd have to consider +/- 5ypg a wash unless one were really pushing the kind of intangibles I listed earlier.
 
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orangetanker11 said:
So you're saying thousands love him? Look, you might enjoy not going to a bowl game or going to the Outback Bowl, but I would much rather be in a BCS bowl game or National Championship.
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No I'm not. And you are just pulling crap out of your butt on the last part. What does Austin Rogers have to do with a BCS bowl? And just so you know, he has nothing to do with it, so please don't embarrass yourself trying to prove it.
 
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hndog609 said:
Overall I'd have to agree with you. While in an all-out-technical statement AR's #'s were better I'd have to consider +/- 5ypg a wash unless one were really pushing the kind of intangibles I listed earlier.
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Statistically speaking, Briscoe's 6 TDs to Rogers' 4 TDs should more than make up for that 5 yds a game.
 
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orangetanker11 said:
So you're saying thousands love him? Look, you might enjoy not going to a bowl game or going to the Outback Bowl, but I would much rather be in a BCS bowl game or National Championship.
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Case closed! It was not the result of poor coaching…poor offensive TEAM performance….poor special teams…..it was Austin Rogers fault TENNESSEE went 5-7 last year. If only AR wasn’t on the team, TENNESSEE would have played for the national championship!
 
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hndog609 said:
Overall I'd have to agree with you. While in an all-out-technical statement AR's #'s were better I'd have to consider +/- 5ypg a wash unless one were really pushing the kind of intangibles I listed earlier.
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Briscoe also avg'd less ypc and ypg. To give our friend an example of an "opinion"... I'd choose AR over JB. I think Briscoe more exemplifies UT's drop off at WR than AR.
 
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kills me that austin rogers gets singled out when he's the only reciever on the team that has proven anything at all even though jones has played a lot and moore has played his fair share and neither have done anything except for moore's 2 or 3 deep balls as far as raw talent no rogers isnt as good as either except in straight line speed which u could argue he is one of the fastest recievers we have but there is way more to being a good reciever other than the raw talent
 
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VolBuck24 said:
kills me that austin rogers gets singled out when he's the only reciever on the team that has proven anything at all even though jones has played a lot and moore has played his fair share and neither have done anything except for moore's 2 or 3 deep balls as far as raw talent no rogers isnt as good as either except in straight line speed which u could argue he is one of the fastest recievers we have but there is way more to being a good reciever other than the raw talent
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That was one mother of a run on sentence. :)

You make some fair points but I really think it's tough to call some of those based on how awful our QB play was last year. All the receivers shared the grief but I think Moore might have been hurt the most, by which I mean his particular skill set relies the most on having a QB with time making the correct read. We didn't have much of that.

For all our sakes, and I don't care who any of us think is a good receiver or not, I hope that last part improves a lot.
 
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sjt18 said:
Pretty close... but our friend didn't say he hated to see Briscoe in the game or he wasn't SEC worthy.
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The fact that either one of them saw significant playing time just goes to show how overrated Fulmer was as a coach/talent evaluator/recruiter.
 
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VolBuck24 said:
kills me that austin rogers gets singled out when he's the only reciever on the team that has proven anything at all even though jones has played a lot and moore has played his fair share and neither have done anything except for moore's 2 or 3 deep balls as far as raw talent no rogers isnt as good as either except in straight line speed which u could argue he is one of the fastest recievers we have but there is way more to being a good reciever other than the raw talent
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What the hell has Austin Rogers proven? He had a good season in 2007 when everyone else did, other than that he has done absolutely nothing.
 
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You might have a point concerning CPF... but Cut played those guys too and he is a very good evaluator and coordinator of talent.
 
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orangetanker11 said:
Yes, and this thread was about AR, not anyone else.
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yes but the fact that you're saying that he's the worst reciever on the team when in no way is that the truth he's proven that he can play and have a solid year in the sec which nobody else has proven yet
 
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