Austin Rogers

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I think we all agree that Rogers should not be starting. The difference in opinion seems to be whether he should be, say, our 4th receiver or not be on the team at all. But given that our 4th receiver last year averaged about 1 catch for 15 yards per game (and not just because we had no qb; the 4th WR had 101 yards in 2006, 212 in 2007 and 180 in 2008), I don't see why it makes much of a difference. I personally think that someone who is a decent/serviceable starter (in 2007 at least) makes for a very good 4th option, but I dont think it's something to get worked up about. People are entitled to their opinions. We mostly all agree he shouldn't play that much anyway.
 
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VKAman said:
I think we all agree that Rogers should not be starting. The difference in opinion seems to be whether he should be, say, our 4th receiver or not be on the team at all. But given that our 4th receiver last year averaged about 1 catch for 15 yards per game (and not just because we had no qb; the 4th WR had 101 yards in 2006, 212 in 2007 and 180 in 2008), I don't see why it makes much of a difference. I personally think that someone who is a decent/serviceable starter (in 2007 at least) makes for a very good 4th option, but I dont think it's something to get worked up about. People are entitled to their opinions. We mostly all agree he shouldn't play that much anyway.
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Thank you. I HOPE we all agree that he shouldn't be playing much, the only difference with me is that I don't think he should be playing at all. But I think some of us are on the right track.
 
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orangetanker11 said:
Thank you. I HOPE we all agree that he shouldn't be playing much, the only difference with me is that I don't think he should be playing at all. But I think some of us are on the right track.
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I think we all agree.....you should not be calling the kid a turd! I would not argue that he shouldn't be a starter...but show some respect.....the kid gives his all while proudly wearing the orange...so quit calling the kid a turd......again....you are a tool & a d-bag.
 
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I like Austin Rogers experience. I could see him starting for UT just based on his experience. He runs his routes, does all the little things, keeps his mouth shut...I think he could be one of those silent leaders, especially during the tough times.

His stats this past year were marred by an underachieving offense and a terrible passer. Every WR on the team is not better than Austin Rogers. They might all be faster than him, but his stats from 2 years ago prove that as long as he has a skilled passer throwing to him, he can get the ball and get the job done.
 
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ShowMeVol said:
I think we all agree.....you should not be calling the kid a turd! I would not argue that he shouldn't be a starter...but show some respect.....they kid gives his all while proudly wearing the orange...so quit calling the kid a turd......again....you are a tool & a d-bag.
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Calling the kid a turd was being nice. Name calling because of name calling is real impressive, too.
 
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G'Town Vol said:
I like Austin Rogers experience. I could see him starting for UT just based on his experience. He runs his routes, does all the little things, keeps his mouth shut...I think he could be one of those silent leaders, especially during the tough times.

His stats this past year were marred by an underachieving offense and a terrible passer. Every WR on the team is not better than Austin Rogers. They might all be faster than him, but his stats from 2 years ago prove that as long as he has a skilled passer throwing to him, he can get the ball and get the job done.
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Yeah you like his experience and like his skill level. Guess what Florida and Bama corners like it too. They have no fear and sit on his routes. He inconsistent and doesn't do enough after the catch. I remember one game when he got in open field. I was expecting him to use this great speed to take it to the house and the defense run him down like he was going the wrong way. He's maybe serviceable but he's just not a Tennessee starter. If he wouldn't start at any of the other big schools LSU,GA,Fla, and Bama then he sure can't start here.
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Lockdown1 said:
Yeah you like his experience and like his skill level. Guess what Florida and Bama corners like it too. They have no fear and sit on his routes. He inconsistent and doesn't do enough after the catch. I remember one game when he got in open field. I was expecting him to use this great speed to take it to the house and the defense run him down like he was going the wrong way. He's maybe serviceable but he's just not a Tennessee starter. If he wouldn't start at any of the other big schools LSU,GA,Fla, and Bama then he sure can't start here.
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The almighty D-MO did the same thing in the Wisconsin game. Just get over it man. And there is no way you can prove he wouldn't start at those schools. Making outlandish statements without providing anything to back it up does nothing but ruin your credibility and annoy others.
 
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bdarnell said:
The almighty D-MO did the same thing in the Wisconsin game. Just get over it man. And there is no way you can prove he wouldn't start at those schools. Making outlandish statements without providing anything to back it up does nothing but ruin your credibility and annoy others.
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You are ridiculous. I think outcome of the elongated argument is that some people really like Austin Rogers and some people really despise him. There is no "factual" argument for any one side, only strong opinion. This whole "prove it with facts" thing is getting old. Averaging 44 yards a game is not "fact" that is a productive reciever. It is opinion on your behalf and a few others. IMO, since we are "WR U" this is mediocrity, and simply cannot continue. Mediocrity is what got Fulmer shown the door.
 
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bdarnell said:
The almighty D-MO did the same thing in the Wisconsin game. Just get over it man. And there is no way you can prove he wouldn't start at those schools. Making outlandish statements without providing anything to back it up does nothing but ruin your credibility and annoy others.
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The guy dove and made a shoestring tackle. Rogers had a ten yard cushion at the least. But was run down easily. I'm wondering do you think Rogers is better than D.Moore?
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orangetanker11 said:
There is no "factual" argument for any one side, only strong opinion.
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That's a laughably pathetic tactic. Since you have no facts you try to relegate everything to opinion.

I never love nor hate AR. He's neither the worst WR in history like you seem to think or on the level UT had during its glory days.
This whole "prove it with facts" thing is getting old.
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Of course it is... since you have no facts.
Averaging 44 yards a game is not "fact" that is a productive reciever.
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You need to educate yourself. 44 ypg IS productive and especially for a second receiver... It also placed Rogers #16 in the SEC that year... ahead of Demitrius Byrd, Louis Murphy, Briscoe, C Ingram, and Massaquoi. Harvin only avg'd 78 ypg that year as UF's primary option.

It is opinion on your behalf and a few others. IMO, since we are "WR U" this is mediocrity, and simply cannot continue. Mediocrity is what got Fulmer shown the door.
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UT's greatest problem is and was OL... not WR, not QB, not RB, and definitely not Austin Rogers. Cut overcame it by "dink and dunk" but the problem was still there.
 
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Lockdown1 said:
I'm wondering do you think Rogers is better than D.Moore?
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I love Moore and that question is ridiculously easy to answer... Yes. Rogers is a more complete WR than Moore. Moore has shown the ability to get deep. Rogers can't. OTOH, Rogers blocks better runs better short and intermediate routes and can make the reads.

No way is AR in DM's league with regard to raw talent... but at this point he knows more about being an SEC level WR and has proven it with results.
 
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sjt18 said:
That's a laughably pathetic tactic. Since you have no facts you try to relegate everything to opinion.

I never love nor hate AR. He's neither the worst WR in history like you seem to think or on the level UT had during its glory days. Of course it is... since you have no facts. You need to educate yourself. 44 ypg IS productive and especially for a second receiver... It also placed Rogers #16 in the SEC that year... ahead of Demitrius Byrd, Louis Murphy, Briscoe, C Ingram, and Massaquoi. Harvin only avg'd 78 ypg that year as UF's primary option.


UT's greatest problem is and was OL... not WR, not QB, not RB, and definitely not Austin Rogers. Cut overcame it by "dink and dunk" but the problem was still there.
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It's not a tactic, but thousands of UT fans think AR isn't good enough to be on the field, that, my friend, is a fact. This all started out by me saying that "I, orangetanker11, think he is a turd." Now, that also, my friend, is an opinion. I never said "since I said he is a turd, it must be fact, and you all must refer to him now on as Turd Rogers." I never said that.

Byrd, Murphy, Briscoe, Ingram, and Massaquoi all have the ability to stretch the field and threaten the defense downfield. AR doesn't have this.

I agree that the problem last year was our offensive line, and the "Clawfense." However, if we are going to be an elite team again, I don't believe we can have mediocre talent such as AR seeing significant playing time.
 
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Austin does a lot of the little things that the other wide receivers don't do, like sustain blocks and adjust routes. Also, I would dare say he is the smartest WR we have, as I know for a fact that he was one of the very few to have picked up the offense. He is a quality kid who, when healthy, is one of the fastest wide receivers we have (sorry, that is also a fact.)
The reality that the entire offense was in confusion mode did not help anyone's stats. We didn't have a QB who could go through Clawson's progressions fast enough to be protected by a line that didn't understand the blocking schemes. If you adjust on a route, but the QB doesn't recognize this, you'll never hook up. Very few times(with the exception of go routes run by Moore) did we have any semblence of the QB and WR's knowing what the heck was going on.

I say toss out all of the impressions-good and bad- from last year and see what transpires when they hit the field this spring. I think we'll see some people step up with this new chance, and hopefully, new clarity.
 
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fromthetop2 said:
Austin does a lot of the little things that the other wide receivers don't do, like sustain blocks and adjust routes. Also, I would dare say he is the smartest WR we have, as I know for a fact that he was one of the very few to have picked up the offense. He is a quality kid who, when healthy, is one of the fastest wide receivers we have (sorry, that is also a fact.)
The reality that the entire offense was in confusion mode did not help anyone's stats. We didn't have a QB who could go through Clawson's progressions fast enough to be protected by a line that didn't understand the blocking schemes. If you adjust on a route, but the QB doesn't recognize this, you'll never hook up. Very few times(with the exception of go routes run by Moore) did we have any semblence of the QB and WR's knowing what the heck was going on.

I say toss out all of the impressions-good and bad- from last year and see what transpires when they hit the field this spring. I think we'll see some people step up with this new chance, and hopefully, new clarity.
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I believe that is what the new staff will do. Nice post.
 
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The reality that the entire offense was in confusion mode did not help anyone's stats. We didn't have a QB who could go through Clawson's progressions fast enough to be protected by a line that didn't understand the blocking schemes. If you adjust on a route, but the QB doesn't recognize this, you'll never hook up. Very few times(with the exception of go routes run by Moore) did we have any semblence of the QB and WR's knowing what the heck was going on.
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I agree about last year, and I've said before, if he comes out and has a great year, I'll be happy for him, and he will have proved me wrong. (yes, 70 rec 1200 yds was mentioned in jest) However, up to this point, my opinion is firm, and only AR can make me sway. What I don't get, is why people blantaly are saying I'm wrong for my opinion. If I said "I don't like tuna," no one would try to bring up facts as to why tuna is delicious and try and "prove" me wrong. Some people I just don't understand.
 
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Agree completely. AR must be rated by year-before-last. 2008 was a total disaster for him, and everyone else on the team. It will be interesting to see this same talent, with a few new faces, under good coaching matched to their capabilities, perform this coming season. My bet is that everyone will look better. Chill out, haters.
 
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orangetanker11 said:
I agree about last year, and I've said before, if he comes out and has a great year, I'll be happy for him, and he will have proved me wrong. (yes, 70 rec 1200 yds was mentioned in jest) However, up to this point, my opinion is firm, and only AR can make me sway. What I don't get, is why people blantaly are saying I'm wrong for my opinion. If I said "I don't like tuna," no one would try to bring up facts as to why tuna is delicious and try and "prove" me wrong. Some people I just don't understand.
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Tuna is not a college football player
 
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orangetanker11 said:
You are ridiculous. I think outcome of the elongated argument is that some people really like Austin Rogers and some people really despise him. There is no "factual" argument for any one side, only strong opinion. This whole "prove it with facts" thing is getting old. Averaging 44 yards a game is not "fact" that is a productive reciever. It is opinion on your behalf and a few others. IMO, since we are "WR U" this is mediocrity, and simply cannot continue. Mediocrity is what got Fulmer shown the door.
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What doesn't seem to get through your head is that there IS a difference between an "opinion" and a fallacious argument. You do not get to say it is your "opinion" that 2+2=5 since it is a demonstrably and empirically incorrect statement. Your feelings on the matter have no bearing. Somehow you dismiss all the 2+2=4's surrounding AR because it suits you to do so.

Not that it'll matter to you since facts obviously don't but I didn't want your post cited above to deceive anyone else reading it to thinking 56/624 for 44.6 a game is somehow lame. I will now list every player for UT that had a season with at least 50 receptions and more than 44ypg. (starting in '02 since that's as far back as I have easy access to the info)

Robert Meachem '06 71/1298/99.8
Lucas Taylor '07 73/1000/76.9
Austin Rogers '07 56/624/44.6

That's it, that's all there is. In fairness I'd like to give props to Swain's '06 49/688/52.9. It didn't make the 50 reception cutoff but is close enough to mention. The 50/600 club is a lot more elite than this poster would lead anyone (including himself) to believe. I don't think Rogers is a A+/#1 receiver but he is darn sure a proven producer of both yards and catches. (you know, 2+2=4 and all that)
 
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hndog609 said:
What doesn't seem to get through your head is that there IS a difference between an "opinion" and a fallacious argument. You do not get to say it is your "opinion" that 2+2=5 since it is a demonstrably and empirically incorrect statement. Your feelings on the matter have no bearing. Somehow you dismiss all the 2+2=4's surrounding AR because it suits you to do so.

Not that it'll matter to you since facts obviously don't but I didn't want your post cited above to deceive anyone else reading it to thinking 56/624 for 44.6 a game is somehow lame. I will now list every player for UT that had a season with at least 50 receptions and more than 44ypg. (starting in '02 since that's as far back as I have easy access to the info)

Robert Meachem '06 71/1298/99.8
Lucas Taylor '07 73/1000/76.9
Austin Rogers '07 56/624/44.6

That's it, that's all there is. In fairness I'd like to give props to Swain's '06 49/688/52.9. It didn't make the 50 reception cutoff but is close enough to mention. The 50/600 club is a lot more elite than this poster would lead anyone (including himself) to believe. I don't think Rogers is a A+/#1 receiver but he is darn sure a proven producer of both yards and catches. (you know, 2+2=4 and all that)
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It is not "demonstrably and empirically incorrect statement." It is how I feel about the "turd." If you don't like it, don't respond, and don't waste your time writing long posts. He had "a" solid season, but that doesn't change the fact that he is a drive killer, and flat out not good enough to play on this team if we ever have any hopes of winning an SEC championship or go to a BCS game. He's just not. Take it as opinion or fact, at this point I don't care.
 
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orangetanker11 said:
It is not "demonstrably and empirically incorrect statement." It is how I feel about the "turd." If you don't like it, don't respond, and don't waste your time writing long posts. He had "a" solid season, but that doesn't change the fact that he is a drive killer, and flat out not good enough to play on this team if we ever have any hopes of winning an SEC championship or go to a BCS game. He's just not. Take it as opinion or fact, at this point I don't care.
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Relax. As I stated in my post I just wanted to be sure anyone reading your post got jerked back to the reality of what a 50/600 season actually demonstrates as opposed to how you presented it. I'll let them use that information to draw whatever educated conclusions they wish.
 
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