Any better than Dooley?

[Freak]

It was a question not a statement. Did you do well in school?

I saw your question. Your third sentence was a statement. And mine was a follow up point.

I made a statement. It's a discussion, right? <- just to clarify, this is also a question.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I saw your question. Your third sentence was a statement. And mine was a follow up point. It's a discussion, right?

Do you ever read the out of context thread?

 

[Freak]

Do you ever read the out of context thread?

Get off me slice! :lol:

I don't think Butch is worse than Dooley at this point regardless of what happens Saturday because he's proven he can beat a top ten team. Better?

 

[InVOLuntary]

I saw your question. Your third sentence was a statement. And mine was a follow up point.

I made a statement. It's a discussion, right? <- just to clarify, this is also a question.

Who wee weed in your cheerios? The statement was to give the reason for the question. I personally don't think Dooley is a better coach than Butch but I can't back that conclusion up with evidence either. Other's opinions is what I was after. Not blanket statements to try and discredit the validity of the question.

 

[volfanjustin]

There is no point in arguing with these baffoons. ANYONE who thinks Derek Dooley is a better coach than Butch Jones or really any coach should be checked for insanity.

Dooley has been lauded as the worst hire of all-time by some writers and we are barely one year removed from his tenure. Whether you're happy with this year or not, it's absolutely asinine to to compare the two. Not a single expert this year believed this team would have a winning record, including those who love Butch Jones. If you expected UT to be a surprise team & contend, then that's your fault for not being grounded in reality.

The only thing threads like this do is provide rival coaching staffs with ammunition in recruiting. Unfortunately, the loons who think they are helping in any way by complaining are doing nothing besides hurting the team they supposedly love.

If dooley was worst hire of all time which I agree he was then the current hire is 1b on that list

 

[Freak]

Who wee weed in your cheerios? The statement was to give the reason for the question. I personally don't think Dooley is a better coach than Butch but I can't back that conclusion up with evidence either. Other's opinions is what I was after. Not blanket statements to try and discredit the validity of the question.

I guess I don't understand. I'm not trying to discredit the question. You're saying I can't factor in anything else besides losing to Kentucky and Vandy. Butch beating South Carolina factors into my evaluation, that's all. It doesn't factor into yours?

Like I posted above, I give Butch credit for beating a top ten team, which Dooley never did. That just my opinion. It's not a shot at your question. What am I missing? Maybe I'm taking your post out of context? Not my intention, but I probably am. :dunno:

 

[InVOLuntary]

I guess I don't understand. I'm not trying to discredit the question. You're saying I can't factor in anything else besides losing to Kentucky and Vandy. Butch beating South Carolina factors into my evaluation, that's all. It doesn't factor into yours?

Like I posted above, I give Butch credit for beating a top ten team, which Dooley never did. That just my opinion. It's not a shot at your question. What am I missing? Maybe I'm taking your post out of context? Not my intention. :dunno:

You have since answered the question. Before you just made a statement that Butch had beaten SC and Dooley didn't have a win of that magnitude.

Now your saying that it doesn't matter here on out. Butch beat a ranked team so it won't matter that he lost to every other conference team, he's better than Dooley?

 

[Freak]

You have since answered the question. Before you just made a statement that Butch had beaten SC and Dooley didn't have a win of that magnitude.

Now your saying that it doesn't matter here on out. Butch beat a ranked team so it won't matter that he lost to every other conference team, he's better than Dooley?

Sorry, I though my statement implied my answer.

I think this team is less talented than what Dooley had. We have no quarterback or receivers and we've still run the ball pretty well. Butch had this team playing better before we lost Worley and I think lack of depth is taking its toll.

Dooley lost teams at the end if the year, so it Butch does, it will be concerning but with the win over SC and his recruiting, I still give him the nod. Just my opinion. You disagree?

 

[InVOLuntary]

Sorry, I though my statement implied my answer.

I think this team is less talented than what Dooley had. We have no quarterback or receivers and we've still run the ball pretty well. Butch had this team playing better before we lost Worley and I think lack of depth is taking its toll.

Dooley lost teams at the end if the year, so it Butch does, it will be concerning but with the win over SC and his recruiting, I still give him the nod. Just my opinion. You disagree?

I can't disagree with any of that. I don't think the win over SC excuses eiter the loss to Vandy or a loss to KY. The talent and depth excuse don't/won't hold water with me anyway.

 

[Freak]

I can't disagree with any of that. I don't think the win over SC excuses eiter the loss to Vandy or a loss to KY. The talent and depth excuse don't/won't hold water with me anyway.

I agree that nothing excuses losing to Vandy or Kentucky. It's unacceptable.

 

[gasguy98]

Look, all that matters is results on the field or at least visible signs of the team getting better. I do think Jones is better than Dooley mainly because he had a resume and has done a much better PR job. However the fact is that the results on the field and virtually identical to the results last year. The team seems to be regressing, just like last year.

I expected 6 wins this year and there is no reason we didn't get 6 wins. Worley being out definitely hurt and there were some surprise teams on the schedule, I get that. At some point we have to be one of those surprise teams or this crap will go on indefinitely. We needed to see something that gives us hope that 2014 will be that break out year, maybe win 7 or 8 games and see an actual turn around. that is how it works. Franklin proves that the right coach can have an immediate impact. So far Jones has not made an impact. It is that simple.

 

[1985Vols]

Look, all that matters is results on the field or at least visible signs of the team getting better. I do think Jones is better than Dooley mainly because he had a resume and has done a much better PR job. However the fact is that the results on the field and virtually identical to the results last year. The team seems to be regressing, just like last year.

I expected 6 wins this year and there is no reason we didn't get 6 wins. Worley being out definitely hurt and there were some surprise teams on the schedule, I get that. At some point we have to be one of those surprise teams or this crap will go on indefinitely. We needed to see something that gives us hope that 2014 will be that break out year, maybe win 7 or 8 games and see an actual turn around. that is how it works. Franklin proves that the right coach can have an immediate impact. So far Jones has not made an impact. It is that simple.

For all of you delusional fans, here are the facts :
1. Tennessee played 4 teams this season that are currently ranked in the Top 10 of the BCS
2. Vanderbilt has played 2 teams in the BCS top ten.
3. Tennessee also played Oregon
4. Vandy played a bunch of nobody's for their 3 non- conference games
5. Next year, Tennessee plays Oklahoma on the road
6. Not saying James Franklin isn't a good coach because obviously he is, but given the same schedule, CBJ probably could have produced the same # of wins. Franklin has had 4 years to install his system and change the culture at Vandy.


If your expectation for next season is 7 or 8 wins, your setting yourself up for disappointment once again. CBJ inherited a train wreck and we must be patient and give him at least 3 years before judging him. He is recruiting better than anyone since Fulmer in the mid to late 90's. He can't change the " losing " culture instilled by Dooley in less than 1 year. Please be patient and give him some time!

 

[theFallGuy]

Dooley should have beat LSU in his first year but didn't.
Dooley beat Cincy when he played Jones with this talent we see on the field now.

Jones almost beat UGA (minus two of their best O players). We did beat SC with a great play by North but every other competitive game has been a blowout and now we are seeing the team flat out give up.

I love the energy Jones brings, the cute slogans etc. but lets be honest....Dooley would have fared just as well this year. We see the exact same level of intensity that Dooley produced with pretty much the exact same results.

When SEC rivals set new records against team 117 it is not improvement. We simply have not improved one iota under Jones and it has me concerned that this turn around (if we are having one) is going to be a lot longer than many of us have the stomach for.

Fire away...

Dooley had arguably one of the BEST offenses in the SEC last year and he still couldn't beat anyone. If you honestly think Jones wouldn't have a winning record with the offense we had last year you are sadly mistaken.

Please kill this thread. It's just dumb.

 

[gasguy98]

For all of you delusional fans, here are the facts :
1. Tennessee played 4 teams this season that are currently ranked in the Top 10 of the BCS
2. Vanderbilt has played 2 teams in the BCS top ten.
3. Tennessee also played Oregon
4. Vandy played a bunch of nobody's for their 3 non- conference games
5. Next year, Tennessee plays Oklahoma on the road
6. Not saying James Franklin isn't a good coach because obviously he is, but given the same schedule, CBJ probably could have produced the same # of wins. Franklin has had 4 years to install his system and change the culture at Vandy.


If your expectation for next season is 7 or 8 wins, your setting yourself up for disappointment once again. CBJ inherited a train wreck and we must be patient and give him at least 3 years before judging him. He is recruiting better than anyone since Fulmer in the mid to late 90's. He can't change the " losing " culture instilled by Dooley in less than 1 year. Please be patient and give him some time!

Here is another fact, the only fact that matters: We are 4-7 and could very well be 4-8. The team has been blown out by several teams this year.

Great coaches make an impact regardless of what they inherit (see Franklin). So far we have not seen an impact. To be good we must beat good teams and win the ones we are supposed to. We would be 3-9 now if not for superhuman play by North

Name as many facts as you like but it doesn't change what the reality is: We still stink as bad as a Dooley coached team with no signs of improvement.

Yes, I will most certainly expect 7 wins next year. Expecting to win is what fans do. There will always be obstacles, injuries, schedules etc. but the truly great ones overcome and find a way to win.

 

[gasguy98]

Dooley had arguably one of the BEST offenses in the SEC last year and he still couldn't beat anyone. If you honestly think Jones wouldn't have a winning record with the offense we had last year you are sadly mistaken.

Please kill this thread. It's just dumb.

Passing offense was good but no where close to the best running offense.

This thread will live until Jones lives up to the hype.

 

[ETV]

Here is another fact, the only fact that matters: We are 4-8 and could very well be 4-9. The team has been blown out by several teams this year.

Great coaches make an impact regardless of what they inherit (see Franklin). So far we have not seen an impact. To be good we must beat good teams and win the ones we are supposed to. We would be 3-9 now if not for superhuman play by North

Name as many facts as you like but it doesn't change what the reality is: We still stink as bad as a Dooley coached team with no signs of improvement.

Yes, I will most certainly expect 7 wins next year. Expecting to win is what fans do. There will always be obstacles, injuries, schedules etc. but the truly great ones overcome and find a way to win.

If you're going to compare Dooley to Jones and not point out the obvious, which is a depleted roster with minimal talent, then you're not being objective.

 

[BrianJ98]

The talent on this team is miniscule. It's not like CBJ is losing with the '85 Bears. He's losing with a lot of Freshman and walk ons. Be patient, it's not going to happen over night. I say, we hope for 6 or 7 W's next year and get excited about year 3.

 

[ItStartedatHessHall]

Here is another fact, the only fact that matters: We are 4-8 and could very well be 4-9. The team has been blown out by several teams this year.

Great coaches make an impact regardless of what they inherit (see Franklin). So far we have not seen an impact. To be good we must beat good teams and win the ones we are supposed to. We would be 3-9 now if not for superhuman play by North

Name as many facts as you like but it doesn't change what the reality is: We still stink as bad as a Dooley coached team with no signs of improvement.

Yes, I will most certainly expect 7 wins next year. Expecting to win is what fans do. There will always be obstacles, injuries, schedules etc. but the truly great ones overcome and find a way to win.

Tennessee is 4-7, not 4-8. Let's not hang the UK game as a loss quite yet.

You are insane if you saw no signs of improvement.

1. From Grant Ramey: "Tennessee's 1998 national title team rushed for 2,536 yards. This 2013 team is on pace for 2,228 rushing yards. Vols ran for 2,418 in '04." That's huge considering how putrid the running game was under Dooley.

2. A win against #10 South Carolina. That was a huge step.

3. The defense showed marked improvement over Sunseri's record-breaking unit. Next year will be even better thanks to improved talent in the defensive backfield & linebacker, along with depth.


The improvement was happening until Worley went down. Unfortunately, Dobbs was very unprepared for a starting job and it resulted in poor results against three top five teams. We should have beaten Vandy though; I will give you that.

 

[majic73]

Here is another fact, the only fact that matters: We are 4-8 and could very well be 4-9. The team has been blown out by several teams this year.

Great coaches make an impact regardless of what they inherit (see Franklin). So far we have not seen an impact. To be good we must beat good teams and win the ones we are supposed to. We would be 3-9 now if not for superhuman play by North

Name as many facts as you like but it doesn't change what the reality is: We still stink as bad as a Dooley coached team with no signs of improvement.

Yes, I will most certainly expect 7 wins next year. Expecting to win is what fans do. There will always be obstacles, injuries, schedules etc. but the truly great ones overcome and find a way to win.

perfect storm of facts :

a ) Worley - slow outta the gate but develops and then gets hurt . No we have a freshman QB
b ) not defensive depth . This situation gives you about 1 to 2 quarters of meaningful football
c ) toughest schedule to be played in the last 20 years by any team

I think the QB situation and receiver situation ( I did not even mention them ) improves in the off season . Defensive depth improves via a full recruiting class . The schedule gets a little better .

I am not talking about 10 wins ....but maybe enough of all of those factors to squeeze out 2 more wins.

 

[gasguy98]

Tennessee is 4-7, not 4-8. Let's not hang the UK game as a loss quite yet.

You are insane if you saw no signs of improvement.

1. From Grant Ramey: "Tennessee's 1998 national title team rushed for 2,536 yards. This 2013 team is on pace for 2,228 rushing yards. Vols ran for 2,418 in '04." That's huge considering how putrid the running game was under Dooley.

2. A win against #10 South Carolina. That was a huge step.

3. The defense showed marked improvement over Sunseri's record-breaking unit. Next year will be even better thanks to improved talent in the defensive backfield & linebacker, along with depth.


The improvement was happening until Worley went down. Unfortunately, Dobbs was very unprepared for a starting job and it resulted in poor results against three top five teams. We should have beaten Vandy though; I will give you that.

You may have something with Worley going out. Dobbs just isn't anywhere close to being ready to be an SEC QB. I will grant you that with Worley in the game we probably beat Vandy.

 

[tm3]

if UT dumps to kensucky will "talent" still be the excuse?

 

[Orangeslice13]

Did you ever play football? I mean even as an 8 yr old?

 

[Dragon18]

Here is another fact, the only fact that matters: We are 4-8 and could very well be 4-9. The team has been blown out by several teams this year.

Great coaches make an impact regardless of what they inherit (see Franklin). So far we have not seen an impact. To be good we must beat good teams and win the ones we are supposed to. We would be 3-9 now if not for superhuman play by North

Name as many facts as you like but it doesn't change what the reality is: We still stink as bad as a Dooley coached team with no signs of improvement.

Yes, I will most certainly expect 7 wins next year. Expecting to win is what fans do. There will always be obstacles, injuries, schedules etc. but the truly great ones overcome and find a way to win.

Are you assuming a loss to Kentucky? I could go into a whole slate of reasons why this program is better now than when CBJ took over. I could also try to explain... again... why CBJ is a not just better than Dooley, but a really good coach, but I am worn out trying to get some on here to see that you can take this season and measure it in a vacuum. Time will tell if I am wrong, but I think it's way too early to bail on this coach. I think that maybe if we hadn't been through LK and DD people would be more patient with CBJ. eace2:

 

[JACK8254]

Dooley should have beat LSU in his first year but didn't.
Dooley beat Cincy when he played Jones with this talent we see on the field now.

Jones almost beat UGA (minus two of their best O players). We did beat SC with a great play by North but every other competitive game has been a blowout and now we are seeing the team flat out give up.

I love the energy Jones brings, the cute slogans etc. but lets be honest....Dooley would have fared just as well this year. We see the exact same level of intensity that Dooley produced with pretty much the exact same results.

When SEC rivals set new records against team 117 it is not improvement. We simply have not improved one iota under Jones and it has me concerned that this turn around (if we are having one) is going to be a lot longer than many of us have the \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

No. This team looks more like a Dooley team every week. Where is the progress? Receivers cant catch, QB cant throw ( Tyler much better) no discipline ( AJ makes play then gives up 15) and worst yet- that fake FG play . Up to then I thought Butch was smart. THe odds of that working are about 1 in 80. THATSTUPID call changed the flow of the game. I will never understand what he was thinking when he did it. If I hear (Or see) that moronic brick by brick thing 1 more time- I will have a fit. Butch is not the man I thought he was.

 

[Freak]

No. This team looks more like a Dooley team every week. Where is the progress? Receivers cant catch, QB cant throw ( Tyler much better) no discipline ( AJ makes play then gives up 15) and worst yet- that fake FG play . Up to then I thought Butch was smart. THe odds of that working are about 1 in 80. THATSTUPID call changed the flow of the game. I will never understand what he was thinking when he did it. If I hear (Or see) that moronic brick by brick thing 1 more time- I will have a fit. Butch is not the man I thought he was.

How did the fake field goal change the flow of the game?