Antwan Scott Grambling University transfer

What residue from CCM? And the CBP is long gone? It's not like Haith lit things up at Missouri, they were worse than we were the past few years.

I think you'll see Miller commit the first few days in September, after his visit for the Utah State game. I think Tyndall slow played in hoped of Evans, but won't do that anymore with him, I will be surprised if he's not a Vol.

Media residue - ESPN made a big deal about it I personally do not think it was a big deal to CCM and CBP, but media overplayed petition and stirred up a non-existent controversy. I think it does impact recruiting until recruits see the product on the floor. It does not give CDT a bad reputation, but I does not reflect well on the university and fan base.
 
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wow talk about overreacting.....we dont know who CDT wanted or didnt want. Obviously the beat writers dont have a clue either bc they dont even know who is in for a visit or not. You were expecting an awful lot for three weeks on campus.....he did manage to bring in a higher rated class in three weeks than the previous coach had signed. As for his second class we have no idea if he will get it done yet bc he hasnt signed the first prospect yet. When he does start signing then we can criticize or praise depending on who he gets.

This conversation has nothing to do with previous coaches, why take it there, can't stay on topic? A guy hired in with less time on the job, and taking over a worse program managed to put together a top 15 class and is on his way to a very nice 2015 class, seems relevant.
 
I'll preface this by saying we likely will have to agree to disagree because the subject has been broached previously, but IMO, you are attempting to compare Anderson and Tyndall as an apples:apples comparison. To me, there are many different dynamics, both past and present, that make each coach's situation unique.

Anderson, to my knowledge, hasn't just outrightly won a recruiting battle for a blue chip player without some measure of qualification. His largest 'get' thus far, M. Gill-Caesar, was hand-delivered with the hiring of his HS coach. Credit to Anderson for making it happen, but after the hire, there was NO competition for MG-C, and was perhaps a prerequisite to Fulford's employment (we'll never know).

Aside from MG-C, Anderson managed to convince the majority of Mizzou recruits to honor their commitment, including 4* players Jakeenan Gant and Namon Wright, something Tyndall failed to do. However, the circumstances around Frank Haith's departure and Cuonzo Martin's departure were world's apart, and the media attention and vitriol between current players and fans/administration eventually spilled over to the recruiting class. Tyndall passed on all but Cofer, and didn't perhaps make him a priority to the degree the Cofer's felt necessary. To be fair though, none of the signees were talents on the level of Gant and Wright. Had they been, more of an effort would have likely been made.

All that to say that Kim Anderson is "killing it" in recruiting may be a little generous. He has landed, in addition to MG-C, two 3* players to this point. Tyndall has landed four 3* players and a 4* in Detrick Mostella, who was similarly ranked to MG-C. Has CDT struck out on some others? Sure, and he'll strike out on others too, as will Anderson. They both currently have zero commits for 2015, so neither is "killing it" in regards to the next class IMO.

Namon wright asked out of his LOI and took other visits, Anderson definitely deserves credit for him. Making excuses for why a competitor got a top 15 class and we didn't seems petty.

If you're gonna asterisk Anderson's gets because of connections then you better not count Mostella, Chiles, Baulkman or Punter for Tyndall...can't have it both ways.

VQ reported multiple guys Tennessee wanted and were gonna try to get in this '14 class, most of those babes they weren't even able to secure visits from. Proceed to '15 and guys who VQ mentioned as top targets cuts is from their lists of 4-8, like I said I hope it's just a coincidence and not a trend/sign. I just disagree with people saying he has to show it on the court first and so that excuses him fit the '15 class, it has been proven many times that that's not the case.
 
This conversation has nothing to do with previous coaches, why take it there, can't stay on topic? A guy hired in with less time on the job, and taking over a worse program managed to put together a top 15 class and is on his way to a very nice 2015 class, seems relevant.

it wasnt about previous coaches but its a fact that he signed a higher rated class than the one that was signed when he got here. Currently, he has noone signed and no one knowsbwho he will sign so why over react like he is signing a bad 2015 class. Good grief, people were actling like Scott was Chris Paul or something.
 
Namon wright asked out of his LOI and took other visits, Anderson definitely deserves credit for him. Making excuses for why a competitor got a top 15 class and we didn't seems petty.

If you're gonna asterisk Anderson's gets because of connections then you better not count Mostella, Chiles, Baulkman or Punter for Tyndall...can't have it both ways.

VQ reported multiple guys Tennessee wanted and were gonna try to get in this '14 class, most of those babes they weren't even able to secure visits from. Proceed to '15 and guys who VQ mentioned as top targets cuts is from their lists of 4-8, like I said I hope it's just a coincidence and not a trend/sign. I just disagree with people saying he has to show it on the court first and so that excuses him fit the '15 class, it has been proven many times that that's not the case.

Doesnt it seem like VQ doesnt know jack when it comes to CDT's recruiting?
 
I'm sorry but give me

Mostella
Tariq Owens
WCM
Jabari McGhee
Baulkman
Punter
Chiles

Over

Richardson
Washpun
Q
Yemi
Dwight Miller

And you are concerned with his first recruiting class? You weren't concerned with the 2011 class.

I'm not concerned with the '14 class, I'm concerned by top priorities cutting us off lists of 4-8, and guys who we've made top targets not even visiting.

Since you wanna talk about the previous coach, Martin landed a 5* in his second class, not looking like Tyndall will do the same.
 
it wasnt about previous coaches but its a fact that he signed a higher rated class than the one that was signed when he got here. Currently, he has noone signed and no one knowsbwho he will sign so why over react like he is signing a bad 2015 class. Good grief, people were actling like Scott was Chris Paul or something.

Like I've said, my concern isn't about the '14 class or the '15 really specifically. It's about how many guys Tyndall has made "priorities" and yet hasn't even been able to get a visit from or make a final list for, that's troublesome to me.

If you go look at the original "big board" we started out with about 10-12 top 100 offers out there, we are now down to 3, so definitely not looking like a class full of top 100 guys is likely as he said he would sign, or you said is necessary to compete.
 
Making excuses for why a competitor got a top 15 class and we didn't seems petty.

Good grief, if that's the singular interpretation you took from my post, then we're done here. Enjoy semi-privately cheering against Tennessee and Coach Tyndall in your never-ending quest to be right.
 
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Good grief, if that's the singular interpretation you took from my post, then we're done here. Enjoy semi-privately cheering against Tennessee and Coach Tyndall in your never-ending quest to be right.

If you're gonna throw out false info to support your argument how do you expect me to respond?

I want Tennessee to be successful, IDC who the head coach is really. If I have to blindly support him, and any questioning of him means I'm rooting against Tennessee, then you're taking things too seriously.
 
BTOs arguments are weak!! To lose 9 players off the roster and somehow bring 7 (would have been 8 with McKnight) one a Top 50, one a Top 100, and one a JUCO AA in 3 weeks time plus what looks like a diamond in the rough in Carmichael is phenomenal.
 
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I'm not concerned with the '14 class, I'm concerned by top priorities cutting us off lists of 4-8, and guys who we've made top targets not even visiting.

Since you wanna talk about the previous coach, Martin landed a 5* in his second class, not looking like Tyndall will do the same.

We'll see. He is in Dwayne Bacon's top two it seems. That's a 5 star. Clarke is a top 40 player on 247. That's a pretty highly rated guy.

You've got to give Cuonzo credit for landing Stokes, but at the same time, you've got to realize also that the stars aligned for that to happen. Cuonzo closed the deal, but had Jarnell not been ruled ineligible for his high school senior year, had we not had a open scholarship or had other schools had an open scholarship, or had Jarnell not accidentally picked up a phone call from CCM, it likely would have went down a lot different.

Not trying to take anything away from Cuonzo, but that situation worked out perfectly for him.

You want to compare classes, just look at the 2014 class that Tyndall built in a few weeks versus the same class Martin built over a few years.

Now, like you, I'm concerned about getting left off lists of a couple of these kids. I was hoping we'd land a top target early to gain momentum. So far, the most disappointing has been Evans who we were all in on. On the positive side, we are in it for Bacon, Clarke, Marshall, Maye, Miller, Fitzpatrick at the present time.

Most college coaches struggle landing top flight classes in the early going. It's tough to come in late on these kids who have been recruited heavily for long periods of time. Yes, Anderson has done a nice job at Mizz but we've also seen Bruce Pearl bring in Ryan Childress in his first class and lose out on guys like Tyler Smith, the Delk twins, Jamont Gordon. Pearl's class in 2007 was highlighted by Cameron Tatum.

Side note: I feel like you know all this and agree with me but you are hell bent on arguing with a single poster on this forum about recruiting because you didn't like the way he viewed CCM's recruiting.
 
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If you're gonna throw out false info to support your argument how do you expect me to respond?

I want Tennessee to be successful, IDC who the head coach is really. If I have to blindly support him, and any questioning of him means I'm rooting against Tennessee, then you're taking things too seriously.

What info was false?

And surely, even you can find the irony in your second paragraph.
 
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Funny as you were a huge proponent of VQ previously.

wasnt meant as a crack on volquest.....i love that site but i think CDT seems to be keeping things close to the vest bc VQ seems to be behind on things when it comes to the program such as Scott visiting without them knowing it.
 
wasnt meant as a crack on volquest.....i love that site but i think CDT seems to be keeping things close to the vest bc VQ seems to be behind on things when it comes to the program such as Scott visiting without them knowing it.

I think that has more to do with the entire Volquest team covering football right now.
 
Like I've said, my concern isn't about the '14 class or the '15 really specifically. It's about how many guys Tyndall has made "priorities" and yet hasn't even been able to get a visit from or make a final list for, that's troublesome to me.

If you go look at the original "big board" we started out with about 10-12 top 100 offers out there, we are now down to 3, so definitely not looking like a class full of top 100 guys is likely as he said he would sign, or you said is necessary to compete.

yes he needs to be top 100 heavy in his recruiting for us to be the type of program i want us to be.....hopefully this yr will be a step in the right direction. i have no clue who he will sign and u dont either.
 
I feel better now knowing why we didn't get him . I think CDT made the right call . I do believe that recruits will have to see what a CDT coached Tennessee product looks like before we start landing some big fish . It's understandable IMO since CDT is relatively unknown at this point
 
I'm not concerned with the '14 class, I'm concerned by top priorities cutting us off lists of 4-8, and guys who we've made top targets not even visiting.

Since you wanna talk about the previous coach, Martin landed a 5* in his second class, not looking like Tyndall will do the same.

yeah and stokes was good sign for martin if the rest of the class wasnt reese, moore, and edwards.
 
If you're gonna throw out false info to support your argument how do you expect me to respond?

I want Tennessee to be successful, IDC who the head coach is really. If I have to blindly support him, and any questioning of him means I'm rooting against Tennessee, then you're taking things too seriously.

Man, you gotta admit you weren't nearly this critical of Martin . I don't know , maybe you think you were , but your posts wreak of Martin bias . I'm sorry dude , I have nothing against you , you should just go ahead and admit it . CDT isn't CCM and you don't like it
 
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I think I agree with what BTO is saying. The class CDT brought together in 3 weeks was impressive, but there is SOMETHING he is missing on when he meets with these recruits. We can't expect a Butch in recruiting, we get that, but is CDT instilling the belief Tennessee will become a national power within the next four years? This is what I'm worried about, because to ME if we aren't even making the top 8 on top 100 or even top 150 guys, these recruits must not think highly of Tennessee basketball. You get what I'm throwing out?
 
I think I agree with what BTO is saying. The class CDT brought together in 3 weeks was impressive, but there is SOMETHING he is missing on when he meets with these recruits. We can't expect a Butch in recruiting, we get that, but is CDT instilling the belief Tennessee will become a national power within the next four years? This is what I'm worried about, because to ME if we aren't even making the top 8 on top 100 or even top 150 guys, these recruits must not think highly of Tennessee basketball. You get what I'm throwing out?

I have no problem with being critical of missing the top group for some of these recruits we have targeted. I do have a problem with comments like "Kim Anderson is killing it in recruiting" (in comparison to CDT), because that simply isn't true, or at best, is a gross overstatement.
 
To me the real issue here is the difference in recruiting styles between CDT and the previous coaching staff. To equate recruiting to something I may be a little more familiar with, lets compare it 2 single guys trying to pick up a girl at the club. CCM would be the guy to wait across the room till a decent/cute girl makes eye contact with him, to let him know she is interested. CDT on the other hand doesn't mind approaching several women and yes maybe getting a drink or two thrown in his face if he feels he has even the remotest of chances to land that chick. jmo

However, both strategies work if the product on the floor is a winner. no pun
 
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To me the real issue here is the difference in recruiting styles between CDT and the previous coaching staff. To equate recruiting to something I may be a little more familiar with, lets compare it 2 single guys trying to pick up a girl at the club. CCM would be the guy to wait across the room till a decent/cute girl makes eye contact with him, to let him know she is interested. CDT on the other hand doesn't mind approaching several women and yes maybe getting a drink or two thrown in his face if he feels he has even the remotest of chances to land that chick. jmo

However, both strategies work if the product on the floor is a winner. no pun

good analogy.....lets just hope BTO is wrong and CDT is not stuck going home with the ugliest girl in the bar at the end of the night.
 
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