Antwan Scott Grambling University transfer

[drewtigeralum]

not at all. Just a differing opinion that I disagree with. It says nothing about a kid's character or his future success. I hated running. Many, many kids do and would rather just play ball. Some kids don't mind it. Others hate it. And CDT's teams are running the whole practice. Nothing is half speed.
If I personally am off a broken foot and have one year to go play some ball before the real world, my dad would've told me to go work hard for CDT but my ass would've probably been chilling in Colorado, sweating a little an launching some 3's.

Looks like he averaged around 35 minutes a game. I'm willing to be he's in shape.

 

[volbeast33]

You don't see the difference? When AAU events were occurring in July and Rob Lewis and Tyndall/staff were seeing each other every weekend I'm sure conversations happened. Now that evaluation periods are over, coaches are off the road, AAU has ended, and VQ (and the others) are using their entire crew on football, I can see where the disconnect occurred.

Tyndall isn't gonna call up Rob and say, hey buddy got a guy coming in this week for a visit. However if Rob had asked any of the guys on staff a week ago if they had any planned visitors, I just about guarantee they would've informed him pretty willingly.

i have no idea and its just speculation on mine and your part.....it just seems like theirnis alot of stuff that sneaks up on us from the time he was hired until now.....it doesnt really matter though bc all that matters is who we get committed....being upset/worried without even knowing what the class will look like is ridiculous. His recruiting is my biggest concern and if he cant get it done then it will be time to find a new coach in a few yrs.

 

[Spartacavolus]

Looks like he averaged around 35 minutes a game. I'm willing to be he's in shape.

then you'd lose because he's not in shape due to his foot.
And to your point about minutes/gm, Trae Golden avgd @ 33 minutes a game a couple of years ago and that minute number means nothing, unless you are going to convince us Trae was in great shape. Or maybe the rest he took allowing blow by's was because he was full of energy.

 

[drewtigeralum]

then you'd lose because he's not in shape due to his foot.
And to your point about minutes/gm, Trae Golden avgd @ 33 minutes a game a couple of years ago and that minute number means nothing, unless you are going to convince us Trae was in great shape. Or maybe the rest he took allowing blow by's was because he was full of energy.

I agree with you on the foot.

This strange narrative you have invented where players who don't want to come to U.T. don't come because they are too soft to play for D.T. is just...well...strange. To use this argument on a kid you have no idea about is even stranger.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

So far i feel Anderson is doing the better job recruiting but that doesnt change the fact that i feel CDT did a good job with his first class nor does it automatically mean that he will out recruit CDT in the future.

I think Tyndall did a very nice job, about as good as you could've expected given the number of open spots.

Where my concern comes in, is who has he legitimately beaten out, because going forward being cut by 2015 guys raised the question.

Here's the 2014 guys...

Detrick Mostella...nobody thought he would get into school so was basically free for the risk, great get, but again...didn't really have to battle anyone for him.

Jabari McGhee...best commitable offer? FGCU I guess, auburn offer was from Barbee's staff, not Pearl.

Willie Carmichael...Was a Vol the minute Tyndall got the job, again no battle.

Devon Baulkman...same as Carmichael.

Kevin Punter...probably his best get as far as battle, SMU and Missouri were both recruiting him, although SMU did pull his offer. Came down to Missouri and Tennessee, Tyndall won the battle.

Ian Chiles...believe this was Maryland and Tennessee race, the family connection proved to be a huge factor as Chiles himself said his comfort level was huge.

Eric McKnight...reportedly Wichita State was after him, but never visited and seems questionable given after his release they had no contact. Ending up at Long Beacg State kind of says a bit there.


So those are the guys we landed, now I know I'll forget a few, but off the top of my head...these are guys we could've used, had a spot for, and at least attempted to get in with...who were highly rated and recruited by multiple "high majors".

Robert Carter...ends up at Maryland.

Calvin Godfrey...Memphis.

Ray Kasongo...LSU, Michigan State and Indiana.

Shelton Mitchell...Vanderbilt.

Brandon Chauca...California.

Ahmaad Rorie...Oregon.

Devonte Graham...Kansas.



So while he filled out the class with serviceable guys, the inability to even get a visit from the 2nd list of guys was a bit troubling. Especially the PGs and posts, had huge minutes to offer those guys yet they didn't seem even slightly interested. Now add that to a guy like Evans who was our top target all summer, and not even making his list of 4, just seems a bit alarming.

As I've said, I hope that it's just a coincidence and not a trend.

 

[Spartacavolus]

I agree with you on the foot.

This strange narrative you have invented where players who don't want to come to U.T. don't come because they are too soft to play for D.T. is just...well...strange. To use this argument on a kid you have no idea about is even stranger.

like I said, you have your opinion. Players don't come to UT for many reasons. Players didn't want to stay for various reasons and recruits wanted/want to go elsewhere.
One of those reasons is CDT looks a kid in the face and tells him it's going to be the toughest year of his life. You think all kids go for that. I know that all of them don't. I've seen 100's over the years that want no part of that type of challenge. It's human nature and common sense. Simple as that really. Drama free and to the point.
If somebody came up to you right now and said this is going to be the toughest year of your life, you'd be like "wtf man I don't want to hear that". Like I said, I'd be going to Colorado before he finished the sentence.

 

[volbeast33]

I think Tyndall did a very nice job, about as good as you could've expected given the number of open spots.

Where my concern comes in, is who has he legitimately beaten out, because going forward being cut by 2015 guys raised the question.

Here's the 2014 guys...

Detrick Mostella...nobody thought he would get into school so was basically free for the risk, great get, but again...didn't really have to battle anyone for him.

Jabari McGhee...best commitable offer? FGCU I guess, auburn offer was from Barbee's staff, not Pearl.

Willie Carmichael...Was a Vol the minute Tyndall got the job, again no battle.

Devon Baulkman...same as Carmichael.

Kevin Punter...probably his best get as far as battle, SMU and Missouri were both recruiting him, although SMU did pull his offer. Came down to Missouri and Tennessee, Tyndall won the battle.

Ian Chiles...believe this was Maryland and Tennessee race, the family connection proved to be a huge factor as Chiles himself said his comfort level was huge.

Eric McKnight...reportedly Wichita State was after him, but never visited and seems questionable given after his release they had no contact. Ending up at Long Beacg State kind of says a bit there.


So those are the guys we landed, now I know I'll forget a few, but off the top of my head...these are guys we could've used, had a spot for, and at least attempted to get in with...who were highly rated and recruited by multiple "high majors".

Robert Carter...ends up at Maryland.

Calvin Godfrey...Memphis.

Ray Kasongo...LSU, Michigan State and Indiana.

Shelton Mitchell...Vanderbilt.

Brandon Chauca...California.

Ahmaad Rorie...Oregon.

Devonte Graham...Kansas.



So while he filled out the class with serviceable guys, the inability to even get a visit from the 2nd list of guys was a bit troubling. Especially the PGs and posts, had huge minutes to offer those guys yet they didn't seem even slightly interested. Now add that to a guy like Evans who was our top target all summer, and not even making his list of 4, just seems a bit alarming.

As I've said, I hope that it's just a coincidence and not a trend.

It's way too early to call it a trend....none of that stuff matters.....was it a good first class ....yes......we don't know who he will get in his second class.....if it's a poor second class I will be the first to criticize him.

 

[volakil]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ86GWKatQM

That range ...

I like!

 

[bleedingTNorange]

It's way too early to call it a trend....none of that stuff matters.....was it a good first class ....yes......we don't know who he will get in his second class.....if it's a poor second class I will be the first to criticize him.

Doubting that as I've already seen you getting the excuses ready for this 2015 class.

I said from early on in his tenure that I thought he would have trouble recruiting with the mindset he has. Sparty touched on it, and I've talked about it before, some kids don't wanna hear the things he is saying.

It's why IMO he has lived in the JUCO, military academy's, and prep schools...those tend to be "tougher" kids who are more willing to bust their ass, and don't require the ass kissing that some, actually most, of your higher ranked guys prefer.

IDC how highly ranked his guys are as long as he wins, Gregg Marshall has made a living out of taking guys from JUCO and prep school that weren't heavily recruited and winning big with them.

At the end of the day all that's gonna matter is wins/losses, I think this season will tell us a lot about whether his style will work, or if he will need to adjust.

 

[Spartacavolus]

He needs to tell kids they are going to have the time of their lives. That's just not how he rolls.

 

[Dallasbowlin]

Doubting that as I've already seen you getting the excuses ready for this 2015 class.

I said from early on in his tenure that I thought he would have trouble recruiting with the mindset he has. Sparty touched on it, and I've talked about it before, some kids don't wanna hear the things he is saying.

It's why IMO he has lived in the JUCO, military academy's, and prep schools...those tend to be "tougher" kids who are more willing to bust their ass, and don't require the ass kissing that some, actually most, of your higher ranked guys prefer.

IDC how highly ranked his guys are as long as he wins, Gregg Marshall has made a living out of taking guys from JUCO and prep school that weren't heavily recruited and winning big with them.

At the end of the day all that's gonna matter is wins/losses, I think this season will tell us a lot about whether his style will work, or if he will need to adjust.

So your saying we got all cats ?

 

[BadJerry20]

[Youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EChnZTJicw[/YouTube]

 

[BigZiti09]

I think Tyndall did a very nice job, about as good as you could've expected given the number of open spots.

Where my concern comes in, is who has he legitimately beaten out, because going forward being cut by 2015 guys raised the question.

Here's the 2014 guys...

Detrick Mostella...nobody thought he would get into school so was basically free for the risk, great get, but again...didn't really have to battle anyone for him.

Jabari McGhee...best commitable offer? FGCU I guess, auburn offer was from Barbee's staff, not Pearl.

Willie Carmichael...Was a Vol the minute Tyndall got the job, again no battle.

Devon Baulkman...same as Carmichael.

Kevin Punter...probably his best get as far as battle, SMU and Missouri were both recruiting him, although SMU did pull his offer. Came down to Missouri and Tennessee, Tyndall won the battle.

Ian Chiles...believe this was Maryland and Tennessee race, the family connection proved to be a huge factor as Chiles himself said his comfort level was huge.

Eric McKnight...reportedly Wichita State was after him, but never visited and seems questionable given after his release they had no contact. Ending up at Long Beacg State kind of says a bit there.


So those are the guys we landed, now I know I'll forget a few, but off the top of my head...these are guys we could've used, had a spot for, and at least attempted to get in with...who were highly rated and recruited by multiple "high majors".

Robert Carter...ends up at Maryland.

Calvin Godfrey...Memphis.

Ray Kasongo...LSU, Michigan State and Indiana.

Shelton Mitchell...Vanderbilt.

Brandon Chauca...California.

Ahmaad Rorie...Oregon.

Devonte Graham...Kansas.



So while he filled out the class with serviceable guys, the inability to even get a visit from the 2nd list of guys was a bit troubling. Especially the PGs and posts, had huge minutes to offer those guys yet they didn't seem even slightly interested. Now add that to a guy like Evans who was our top target all summer, and not even making his list of 4, just seems a bit alarming.

As I've said, I hope that it's just a coincidence and not a trend.

He landed 50% of the guys he targeted in the spring. He did as well as anyone could have reasonably hoped for.

The 2015 concerns have merit but it's still very early to be complaining.

I mean it's not like we are taking commits from Reese in late summer.

Also, going back to the criticisms of the 2014 class... Tyndall took these guys in a 1 month span late in the year. He filled 7 spots. Ridiculous to think we should be in on every prospect we contact just because we have a roster that's so bad that anyone could come in and start.

We signed 7 guys, all of which are better than a pops type player which is what we are accustomed to seeing late in the game.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

So your saying we got all cats ?

Huh?

 

[volbeast33]

Doubting that as I've already seen you getting the excuses ready for this 2015 class.

I said from early on in his tenure that I thought he would have trouble recruiting with the mindset he has. Sparty touched on it, and I've talked about it before, some kids don't wanna hear the things he is saying.

It's why IMO he has lived in the JUCO, military academy's, and prep schools...those tend to be "tougher" kids who are more willing to bust their ass, and don't require the ass kissing that some, actually most, of your higher ranked guys prefer.

IDC how highly ranked his guys are as long as he wins, Gregg Marshall has made a living out of taking guys from JUCO and prep school that weren't heavily recruited and winning big with them.

At the end of the day all that's gonna matter is wins/losses, I think this season will tell us a lot about whether his style will work, or if he will need to adjust.

What excuses have I attempted to make? CDT wasn't my first choice and my biggest concern is recruiting with him. Being too hard on players is pure speculation on you and a spartys part. He has never been at a place where he was able to recruit more talented kids.

As for Gregg Marshall, he has never coached at a high major program and the recruiting changes when u get to that level as shown by Anthony Grant. I feel that solid recruiting and wins go hand in hand....that is proven by the overwhelming majority. If CDT can't recruit at this level, I will be ready for the next coach to try.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

He landed 50% of the guys he targeted in the spring. He did as well as anyone could have reasonably hoped for.

The 2015 concerns have merit but it's still very early to be complaining.

I mean it's not like we are taking commits from Reese in late summer.

Also, going back to the criticisms of the 2014 class... Tyndall took these guys in a 1 month span late in the year. He filled 7 spots. Ridiculous to think we should be in on every prospect we contact just because we have a roster that's so bad that anyone could come in and start.

We signed 7 guys, all of which are better than a pops type player which is what we are accustomed to seeing late in the game.

He didn't sign 50% of players he targeted, ridiculous statement.

And yes, I have said a bunch now, he did a very solid job filling out the class. However, yes it could have been better, and the inability to even get visits from some of those guys was a bit concerning.

At this point it's water under the bridge now though as it looks like it's a wrap on the '14 class, we will see how the '15 class forms, but I think some concern over being cut by so many targets is warranted

Jmo

 

[bleedingTNorange]

What excuses have I attempted to make? CDT wasn't my first choice and my biggest concern is recruiting with him. Being too hard on players is pure speculation on you and a spartys part. He has never been at a place where he was able to recruit more talented kids.

As for Gregg Marshall, he has never coached at a high major program and the recruiting changes when u get to that level as shown by Anthony Grant. I feel that solid recruiting and wins go hand in hand....that is proven by the overwhelming majority. If CDT can't recruit at this level, I will be ready for the next coach to try.

Using Anthony Grant as your Example, and then saying recruiting and winning goes hand in hand is about the worst comparison you possibly could've come up with.

Grant has recruited very well to Alabama, he just hasn't won with that talent, had a top 25 class this year actually. Same for Anderson at Arkansas, has recruited very well, just hasn't won.

 

[BigZiti09]

He didn't sign 50% of players he targeted, ridiculous statement.

And yes, I have said a bunch now, he did a very solid job filling out the class. However, yes it could have been better, and the inability to even get visits from some of those guys was a bit concerning.

At this point it's water under the bridge now though as it looks like it's a wrap on the '14 class, we will see how the '15 class forms, but I think some concern over being cut by so many targets is warranted

Jmo

How is it ridiculous. I don't know that we recruited much more than 14 guys that were for sure takes.

You compliment him then rip him in the same breath. He didn't get visits from Carter or Sheldon Mitchell, both which we targeted. I remember you specifically complaining about that at the time. Anyway, you can't expect him to walk in and just land whoever he wants.

Let's see what happens. So far the only disappointment I've had is Evans.

 

[volbeast33]

Using Anthony Grant as your Example, and then saying recruiting and winning goes hand in hand is about the worst comparison you possibly could've come up with.

Grant has recruited very well to Alabama, he just hasn't won with that talent, had a top 25 class this year actually. Same for Anderson at Arkansas, has recruited very well, just hasn't won.

I know he has but that's not the angle I was talking about.....they usually recruit really good basketball players at the lower level that are not overall as athletic as the higher rated and when they move up they recruit much better athletes but not as good true basketball player and it's an adjustment.

Getting good recruits doesn't guarantee wins but u better have strong recruiting if u want to be a consistently good program.

 

[volbeast33]

How is it ridiculous. I don't know that we recruited much more than 14 guys that were for sure takes.

You compliment him then rip him in the same breath. He didn't get visits from Carter or Sheldon Mitchell, both which we targeted. I remember you specifically complaining about that at the time. Anyway, you can't expect him to walk in and just land whoever he wants.

Let's see what happens. So far the only disappointment I've had is Evans.

Yeah I agree Evans was the only disappointment I have so far.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

How is it ridiculous. I don't know that we recruited much more than 14 guys that were for sure takes.

You compliment him then rip him in the same breath. He didn't get visits from Carter or Sheldon Mitchell, both which we targeted. I remember you specifically complaining about that at the time. Anyway, you can't expect him to walk in and just land whoever he wants.

Let's see what happens. So far the only disappointment I've had is Evans.

I was disappointed we couldn't pull Suarez from USM, and was dissapointed in not even getting a visit from the multiple PG's who were available. I was also a bit dossapointed with Carter because VQ came out and made it very clear the full court press was on for him, thought that would at least get us a visit. As you mentioned Evans, I was obviously dissapointed about that too. Now none of those things are huge failures, or major red flags, but I'm hoping missing on Evans doesn't mean we have to go way down the list, or missing on Fall means Nwanko is our guy.

That was the biggest issue with the last staff I had, didn't seem to be much of a Plan B. Miss on Nichols and get? Pass on J3 for? Lose out on Looney and get? Miss on Lyle? They got the attention, and even visits from many highly rated guys, but when they missed the end result was typically a guy ranked 125+ and I'm hoping that's not what happens with this staff also.

As I touched on already, I'm not convinced Tyndall is gonna give up the JUCO/Prep/Military recruiting he's been using. I think he feels like he can get more out of those guys, and that you will continue to see those types of players added. That's not the flashiest style of recruiting, but like I said previously as long as we are winning it doesn't really matter.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I know he has but that's not the angle I was talking about.....they usually recruit really good basketball players at the lower level that are not overall as athletic as the higher rated and when they move up they recruit much better athletes but not as good true basketball player and it's an adjustment.

Getting good recruits doesn't guarantee wins but u better have strong recruiting if u want to be a consistently good program.

How well has Marshall recruited at Wichita State? Bo Ryan at Wisconsin? He's probably the best example.

 

[volbeast33]

I was disappointed we couldn't pull Suarez from USM, and was dissapointed in not even getting a visit from the multiple PG's who were available. I was also a bit dossapointed with Carter because VQ came out and made it very clear the full court press was on for him, thought that would at least get us a visit. As you mentioned Evans, I was obviously dissapointed about that too. Now none of those things are huge failures, or major red flags, but I'm hoping missing on Evans doesn't mean we have to go way down the list, or missing on Fall means Nwanko is our guy.

That was the biggest issue with the last staff I had, didn't seem to be much of a Plan B. Miss on Nichols and get? Pass on J3 for? Lose out on Looney and get? Miss on Lyle? They got the attention, and even visits from many highly rated guys, but when they missed the end result was typically a guy ranked 125+ and I'm hoping that's not what happens with this staff also.

As I touched on already, I'm not convinced Tyndall is gonna give up the JUCO/Prep/Military recruiting he's been using. I think he feels like he can get more out of those guys, and that you will continue to see those types of players added. That's not the flashiest style of recruiting, but like I said previously as long as we are winning it doesn't really matter.

Well with the last coach we weren't winning and I'm not sure this coach can win that way with this coach either. I don't mind him getting some of those type of guys but he needs to get higher rated more skilled guys too and consistent top classes if he wants to win on a consistent level.

 

[volbeast33]

How well has Marshall recruited at Wichita State? Bo Ryan at Wisconsin? He's probably the best example.

Wichita state is not high major and had two good yrs but still needs to show he consistently do that.....bo Ryan and Virginia has the potential to do that but they both play similar styles....those are the exception to the rules....do I really need to name all the programs with top notch recruiting and winning programs.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Wichita state is not high major and had two good yrs but still needs to show he consistently do that.....bo Ryan and Virginia has the potential to do that but they both play similar styles....those are the exception to the rules....do I really need to name all the programs with top notch recruiting and winning programs.

Not at all, just showing there are some who don't, believe me I would prefer we go back to the days of top 10 classes and New Years Day arrests....much more exciting.