Antwan Scott Grambling University transfer

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This story sure came and went like a fart in the wind. I must admit, if he was a take for us, and we simply couldn't secure it, that is disappointing with the only competition being from Colorado St. I doubt any of us know, or will know the real story.

I understand some hesitancy on the part of recruits to want to see Tyndall coach in the SEC before jumping on board, but we seemed to have everything in our favor for a PG to potentially waltz in and get major minutes, especially for a guy like Scott who couldn't possibly have too many options at this stage.

If we passed on him, I feel the staff must have believed getting a waiver and immediate eligibility would be tough this close to the season, and felt the investment was perhaps not worth the trouble and risk of being snubbed by the NCAA or SEC again. I really hope that's the case.
 
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@Ben_Fred: Re: Antwan Scott, PG who picked CSU after UT visit. #Vols wanted him to have surgery on foot he broke in May. He declined. Affected outcome.
 
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Ace said:
Why do we assume Scott turned us down? CDT could have met him face to face and decided he was not a good fit for us.
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They brought him on campus, after his visit he cut his decision to CSU and Tennessee. Met for a few hours with his family and coaches to discuss the decision, seems as if Tennessee wasn't an option a visit nor meeting would've been necessary.
 
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Ace said:
There is a reason he went to Grambling St. in the first place.
BTW, he led GS to a 5-24 record.
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You realized Michigan just took a transfer from a D3 player right, and that probably our biggest PG target plays at a low JUCO college because he didn't have a D1 offer? Sometimes players develop, get overlooked, or just flat out decide to work harder....not like it's unheard of to have an impact player come from a lower school.

Hell, did you forget where Ian Chiles came from?
 
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BigZiti09 said:
@Ben_Fred: Re: Antwan Scott, PG who picked CSU after UT visit. #Vols wanted him to have surgery on foot he broke in May. He declined. Affected outcome.
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Interesting, why wouldn't he want to? Guess there's always a risk involved and he didn't wanna miss his senior season, understandable.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
That doesn't support your, turned him away and didn't have an offer theory though. It says that Tyndall wanted him and had a spot for him, but wanted him to have surgery if he came to Tennessee.
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I am saying good call if he thought the injury would be a factor.

Also telling him he needed to have surgery before he could play at UT could have been a way to simply pass on Scott.

My point is - Many on here assumed that when a player chooses to go elsewhere then they have rejected TN. When in reality, we do not know all the factors and we could have simply passed on the player. If we passed on him, he is not going to announce that we rejected him and CDT will not comment.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You realized Michigan just took a transfer from a D3 player right, and that probably our biggest PG target plays at a low JUCO college because he didn't have a D1 offer? Sometimes players develop, get overlooked, or just flat out decide to work harder....not like it's unheard of to have an impact player come from a lower school.

Hell, did you forget where Ian Chiles came from?
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We already have Chiles. Why do we need two Chiles type players? IMO, we need a pg who is a distributor. We have shooters. Scott is not that much better than what we already have.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
That doesn't support your, turned him away and didn't have an offer theory though. It says that Tyndall wanted him and had a spot for him, but wanted him to have surgery if he came to Tennessee.
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Never said he did not have an offer. But offers are often conditional.
 
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Ace said:
Never said he did not have an offer. But offers are often conditional.
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You seemed to be inferring that he didn't have a committable offer, that obviously was not the case. That tweet also makes it sound like it was a factor on the decision of Scott's not Tyndall's, meaning that Tyndall would've taken him, but needing surgery scared away Scott not Tyndall.
 
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Who cares? The dude has a bum wheel and we told him to get it fixed before he could play here. He chose not to do it.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You seemed to be inferring that he didn't have a committable offer, that obviously was not the case. That tweet also makes it sound like it was a factor on the decision of Scott's not Tyndall's, meaning that Tyndall would've taken him, but needing surgery scared away Scott not Tyndall.
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I was just commenting on the fact that when a recruit announces he is going somewhere else, many assume we did something wrong. When CDT could have passed on the recruit after meeting them face to face.
Offers are often conditional on meeting the player.
Also tweet seemed to imply Scott turned us down because we wanted him to have surgery. But the guy tweeting along with the rest of the Knoxville media did not report anything about Scott prior to last night. If fact you & Dallas posted about Scott first. So I do not necessarily trust the tweet to be the whole story.
 
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It's not a huge deal either way, would've been nice for depth and his outside shooting would've been a nice addition, but as far as next years team not much difference with or without him IMO.

The bigger issue I was seeing, was if indeed we wanted the kid, was that we couldn't beat out CSU for him. The early signs of ability to recruit haven't been promising, and that's why this was kind of disappointing, if he was indeed wanted.

People are saying they've gotta see a product on the floor, but Kim Anderson hasn't even coached a D1 game and is killing it in recruiting. It also seems to be an issue with PG, which is concerning as PG has been an issue at Tennessee for awhile now. He walked into a spot with no PG and with everything available the best we could do was Chiles, who had a family connection? So with a gaping hole at the position next year you'd think you could sell PGs on it, but we seem to keep getting cut from PGs lists, hoping it's just a coincidence and not a trend.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
It's not a huge deal either way, would've been nice for depth and his outside shooting would've been a nice addition, but as far as next years team not much difference with or without him IMO.

The bigger issue I was seeing, was if indeed we wanted the kid, was that we couldn't beat out CSU for him. The early signs of ability to recruit haven't been promising, and that's why this was kind of disappointing, if he was indeed wanted.

People are saying they've gotta see a product on the floor, but Kim Anderson hasn't even coached a D1 game and is killing it in recruiting. It also seems to be an issue with PG, which is concerning as PG has been an issue at Tennessee for awhile now. He walked into a spot with no PG and with everything available the best we could do was Chiles, who had a family connection? So with a gaping hole at the position next year you'd think you could sell PGs on it, but we seem to keep getting cut from PGs lists, hoping it's just a coincidence and not a trend.
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Anderson is doing a great job in recruiting, but he did not have to deal with the residue of the CCM and CBP crap. CDT does have a lot to prove in recruiting. I wish Miller would go ahead and commit, so we would at least have one pg in the fold for 2015.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
It's not a huge deal either way, would've been nice for depth and his outside shooting would've been a nice addition, but as far as next years team not much difference with or without him IMO.

The bigger issue I was seeing, was if indeed we wanted the kid, was that we couldn't beat out CSU for him. The early signs of ability to recruit haven't been promising, and that's why this was kind of disappointing, if he was indeed wanted.

People are saying they've gotta see a product on the floor, but Kim Anderson hasn't even coached a D1 game and is killing it in recruiting. It also seems to be an issue with PG, which is concerning as PG has been an issue at Tennessee for awhile now. He walked into a spot with no PG and with everything available the best we could do was Chiles, who had a family connection? So with a gaping hole at the position next year you'd think you could sell PGs on it, but we seem to keep getting cut from PGs lists, hoping it's just a coincidence and not a trend.
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Bruce and CM both failed at getting elite PG's too.
 
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Ace said:
Anderson is doing a great job in recruiting, but he did not have to deal with the residue of the CCM and CBP crap. CDT does have a lot to prove in recruiting. I wish Miller would go ahead and commit, so we would at least have one pg in the fold for 2015.
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What residue from CCM? And the CBP is long gone? It's not like Haith lit things up at Missouri, they were worse than we were the past few years.

I think you'll see Miller commit the first few days in September, after his visit for the Utah State game. I think Tyndall slow played in hoped of Evans, but won't do that anymore with him, I will be surprised if he's not a Vol.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
It's not a huge deal either way, would've been nice for depth and his outside shooting would've been a nice addition, but as far as next years team not much difference with or without him IMO.

The bigger issue I was seeing, was if indeed we wanted the kid, was that we couldn't beat out CSU for him. The early signs of ability to recruit haven't been promising, and that's why this was kind of disappointing, if he was indeed wanted.

People are saying they've gotta see a product on the floor, but Kim Anderson hasn't even coached a D1 game and is killing it in recruiting. It also seems to be an issue with PG, which is concerning as PG has been an issue at Tennessee for awhile now. He walked into a spot with no PG and with everything available the best we could do was Chiles, who had a family connection? So with a gaping hole at the position next year you'd think you could sell PGs on it, but we seem to keep getting cut from PGs lists, hoping it's just a coincidence and not a trend.
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wow talk about overreacting.....we dont know who CDT wanted or didnt want. Obviously the beat writers dont have a clue either bc they dont even know who is in for a visit or not. You were expecting an awful lot for three weeks on campus.....he did manage to bring in a higher rated class in three weeks than the previous coach had signed. As for his second class we have no idea if he will get it done yet bc he hasnt signed the first prospect yet. When he does start signing then we can criticize or praise depending on who he gets.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
It's not a huge deal either way, would've been nice for depth and his outside shooting would've been a nice addition, but as far as next years team not much difference with or without him IMO.

The bigger issue I was seeing, was if indeed we wanted the kid, was that we couldn't beat out CSU for him. The early signs of ability to recruit haven't been promising, and that's why this was kind of disappointing, if he was indeed wanted.

People are saying they've gotta see a product on the floor, but Kim Anderson hasn't even coached a D1 game and is killing it in recruiting. It also seems to be an issue with PG, which is concerning as PG has been an issue at Tennessee for awhile now. He walked into a spot with no PG and with everything available the best we could do was Chiles, who had a family connection? So with a gaping hole at the position next year you'd think you could sell PGs on it, but we seem to keep getting cut from PGs lists, hoping it's just a coincidence and not a trend.
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I'll preface this by saying we likely will have to agree to disagree because the subject has been broached previously, but IMO, you are attempting to compare Anderson and Tyndall as an apples:apples comparison. To me, there are many different dynamics, both past and present, that make each coach's situation unique.

Anderson, to my knowledge, hasn't just outrightly won a recruiting battle for a blue chip player without some measure of qualification. His largest 'get' thus far, M. Gill-Caesar, was hand-delivered with the hiring of his HS coach. Credit to Anderson for making it happen, but after the hire, there was NO competition for MG-C, and was perhaps a prerequisite to Fulford's employment (we'll never know).

Aside from MG-C, Anderson managed to convince the majority of Mizzou recruits to honor their commitment, including 4* players Jakeenan Gant and Namon Wright, something Tyndall failed to do. However, the circumstances around Frank Haith's departure and Cuonzo Martin's departure were world's apart, and the media attention and vitriol between current players and fans/administration eventually spilled over to the recruiting class. Tyndall passed on all but Cofer, and didn't perhaps make him a priority to the degree the Cofer's felt necessary. To be fair though, none of the signees were talents on the level of Gant and Wright. Had they been, more of an effort would have likely been made.

All that to say that Kim Anderson is "killing it" in recruiting may be a little generous. He has landed, in addition to MG-C, two 3* players to this point. Tyndall has landed four 3* players and a 4* in Detrick Mostella, who was similarly ranked to MG-C. Has CDT struck out on some others? Sure, and he'll strike out on others too, as will Anderson. They both currently have zero commits for 2015, so neither is "killing it" in regards to the next class IMO.
 
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I'm sorry but give me

Mostella
Tariq Owens
WCM
Jabari McGhee
Baulkman
Punter
Chiles

Over

Richardson
Washpun
Q
Yemi
Dwight Miller

And you are concerned with his first recruiting class? You weren't concerned with the 2011 class.
 
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