2020 Primaries

[Orangeburst]

I'll say this, as a Bernie fan. I think there is going to be massive realignment either way.

I personally know 3 Republicans (2 of which backed Trump in 16') backing Bernie. We can grab a decent proportion of populist independents and Republicans.

I assume some centrist Dems will back Trump or vote 3rd Party.

This is not going to be an easy election for Dems anyway you cut it.

If it's not Bernie, I will back the nominee assuming it is not Bloomberg and that the DNC doesn't pull anything at the convention.

But look at the national polls, if you don't like him on ideology that's fine.

But if you are hesitating because he can't beat Trump, there is no evidence that he performs worse than any other Dem.

Trump has a 94% R approval rating. Using your 67% anecdote is statistically insignificant. You will not get any meaningful R support.

 

[hog88]

Well gosh with the scary death panels and wait times, I figured they'd be running over backwards to get rid of it.

Other countries have the same problem we have, once a .gov program is in place there is no way to get rid of it.

 

[zaqhhh]

Trump has a 94% R approval rating. Using your 67% anecdote is statistically insignificant. You will not get any meaningful R support.

Out of those 3, 2 I know wouldn't call themselves Republican today. But they were in 2016.

One still does.

 

[1972 Grad]

I would bet it would be Michelle before it's Hillary.

You may be right, but I don't see it.

 

[zaqhhh]

Other countries have the same problem we have, once a .gov program is in place there is no way to get rid of it.

Hmm so even though they are terrible, no one gets rid of them.

Hmm now is it more likely you are just consuming propaganda or every other nation is wrong.

 

[0nelilreb]

Damning photo of Sanders comes to light.....







Wait for it ....




A bit longer....





Ok, here it is:

Wait what .. Mcgruff went to prison ?

 

[LouderVol]

So we just let people die in the streets?

Doesn't matter if they work 60 hour weeks and can't afford it. We just let them die.

Please let this be the Bernie-Trump debate.

I love the dying in the street argument. Do you really believe human history started with a socialized health care system?

Imo it changes some serious paradigms if the government suddenly becomes responsible for choosing who lives and dies in the streets. And not in a good way. "Oh I see you voted for the loser of the last election, your care has been denied due to lost paper work." "Oh I am sorry you dont fit the nations ideal health standard, you are too far gone to save."

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Right , when NGV makes it for me it’s a Sammich

I do make him sammiches.

 

[hog88]

I am not aware of any of his taxes that are 1 time or would decrease over time?

Ok, you are correct. I'll be a bit more clear.

Millionaires/billionaires are not stupid and have the resources to hire the best accountants and lawyers to help avoid as much tax as possible, it's always been the case. When taxes are raised .gov revenue goes down. So what's his plan once his projected revenue numbers don't come in as planned?

 

[zeppelin128]

I wouldn't bet against you. Could still be Hillary or Kerry.

Let's not.

 

[0nelilreb]

Hmm so even though they are terrible, no one gets rid of them.

Hmm now is it more likely you are just consuming propaganda or every other nation is wrong.

When was the last government entitlement you’ve seen stopped once it was started , regardless of how poorly it’s doing ?

 

[zeppelin128]

I know hundreds of Pete supporters. Therefore, Pete wins President for life according to my anecdotal evidence.

 

[hog88]

Hmm so even though they are terrible, no one gets rid of them.

Hmm now is it more likely you are just consuming propaganda or every other nation is wrong.

Just because a system works elsewhere doesn't mean it will work here.

Also just about every medical advancement known to man, not every but most is due to our capitalistic healthcare system and the world has benefited from it.

 

[C-south]

Haha guess you are in for a wake up call

No rational self sufficient person would support anything that lunatic stands for.

 

[0nelilreb]

Ok, you are correct. I'll be a bit more clear.

Millionaires/billionaires are not stupid and have the resources to hire the best accountants and lawyers to help avoid as much tax as possible, it's always been the case. When taxes are raised .gov revenue goes down. So what's his plan once his projected revenue numbers don't come in as planned?

We put our money in bank accounts , they ( Billionaires) hire teams of people to put there money everywhere but into bank accounts .

 

[zaqhhh]

Ok, you are correct. I'll be a bit more clear.

Millionaires/billionaires are not stupid and have the resources to hire the best accountants and lawyers to help avoid as much tax as possible, it's always been the case. When taxes are raised .gov revenue goes down. So what's his plan once his projected revenue numbers don't come in as planned?

So by your logic, our tax revenue went up when Trump cut taxes?

That's just not true, taxes go up, revenue goes up. Yes some people may be able to escape it, but there that's why Bernie's plan also includes many anti-corruption and crackdowns on elite practices.

 

[37L1]

We put our money in bank accounts , they Billionaires) hire teams of people to put there money everywhere but into bank accounts .

What do you mean "We"?

 

[LouderVol]

Healthcare is most definitely a right.

I'm sorry your generation thought guns were more important than healthcare but we disagree.

Spoken like someone who has never earned anything.

 

[0nelilreb]

Let's not.

I don’t think Kerry is that likable is he ? Maybe it’s just me

 

[zaqhhh]

When was the last government entitlement you’ve seen stopped once it was started , regardless of how poorly it’s doing ?

Usually since there is a giant need for the service, it is edited not scrapped.

 

[C-south]

Hmm so even though they are terrible, no one gets rid of them.

Hmm now is it more likely you are just consuming propaganda or every other nation is wrong.

How many Americans strive to become citizens another nation?

 

[zeppelin128]

I don’t think Kerry is that likable is he ? Maybe it’s just me

He's not.

 

[0nelilreb]

Usually since there is a giant need for the service, it is edited not scrapped.

Usually since it’s a “free “ program the government faces too much backlash for politicians to be able to stop it . No matter how bad it is .

 

[zaqhhh]

How many Americans strive to become citizens another nation?

Many have gone to other nations for affordable prescriptions, care, etc.

 

[zaqhhh]

Usually since it’s a “free “ program the government faces too much backlash for politicians to be able to stop it . No matter how bad it is .

Because it is needed. You can't just scrap it. If something isn't working, fix it. Don't get rid of it.