2018 Schedule - I dare

[99gator]

Unlike so many, I'm not ready to lower my expectations for our players and our coaching staff.

Us having a few bad years is the only reason for out record being so bad. The only exception I would make would be SC when Spurrier was there. He improved their program when Holtz could not. Spurrier gained my respect by making them something from nothing, until he quit mid season due to the thought of losing to Tn coached by Butch. The rest of the scrub teams have had little to do with our losses other than they were on our schedule. The others are just not much better. They have improve some but not enough to be consider toss ups by me.

I can't say with a straight face that Vandy is a good team that deserves respect. Same goes for Ky, Mo and SC(Now that Spurrier is gone.).

I think I know what you are trying to say. The funny thing about this whole back and forth is you all are both essentially saying the same thing.

You're saying that you have little respect for several opponents on the schedule. It's not what they are or what they are doing, it's what Tennessee is not doing. They're not good. Tennessee has been bad.

The other point of view does not dispute that some of these other teams are bad. It's just that since Tennessee is bad, you can't look at everyone else as being bad. Tennessee is right there with them. Until they prove otherwise, there is no such thing as a scrub for Tennessee because Tennessee is a scrub.

I don't think anyone is disputing that when the Tennessee program is run properly that they won't beat those "scrubs".

I think part of the disagreement is how long will it take for Tennessee, when run properly, to resume beating these "scrubs" with regularity.

 

[UGADawg4Life]

Okay cool, you got me. Great job. I went back to 07 on non annual teams and 08 on annual
So here you go:

Your gimmes:
Ky 9-2, usc 5-6, mizz 2-4, vandy 7-4, msu- 2-1, ol miss - 1-2, Ark 1-2...


27-21 overall on gimme games.
Lol.....we have losing records to 4..lol over half

Your toss ups:
Fla 1-10, ala 0-11, lsu 0-4, aub 0-3, uga 4-7, tam 0-1

5-36.

5 games in 11 seasons. Lol
Against teams you call toss ups we have a winning record agaisnt none, we are winless against 4 of the 6

32-57 against so calles gimmies and toss ups.

In reality it appears the gimmes are more of a toss up and the toss ups view us as a gimme, with good reason, with the only possible exceptions of uk and uga.

Lol, carry on with the stupidity

Great analytics. Numbers don't lie.

The OP, and his ilk, are the primary reason that some good coaches don't last long. Unrealistic expectations/ignorance kills. He predicts a win over BAMA in year one of Pruitt......with much less talent, much less coaching experience, new schemes, etc. I mean, who's UT's starting QB and TB? Why didn't the OP just go ahead and predict a perfect season and a NC? It would register the same SMH effect.

Like I've said before, if Pruitt went 10-2 in 2018 and beat Bama, Bama would fire Saban and throw the annual GNP of the state at Pruitt. But they'd be competing with 3/4 of NFL teams for his services.

Can you imagine the look on Pruitt's face if he read the OP's post? Probably spew what ever he was drinking or whatever he had his most previous meal.

But I have to say, this OP and similar are the reason's I like to visit VN. Bet he said similar about Butch when he was hired.

 

[volfannbama]

Unlike so many, I'm not ready to lower my expectations for our players and our coaching staff.

Us having a few bad years is the only reason for out record being so bad. The only exception I would make would be SC when Spurrier was there. He improved their program when Holtz could not. Spurrier gained my respect by making them something from nothing, until he quit mid season due to the thought of losing to Tn coached by Butch. The rest of the scrub teams have had little to do with our losses other than they were on our schedule. The others are just not much better. They have improve some but not enough to be consider toss ups by me.

I can't say with a straight face that Vandy is a good team that deserves respect. Same goes for Ky, Mo and SC(Now that Spurrier is gone.).

Youre last paragraph is what is currently said about Tennessee.

 

[volfannbama]

I think I know what you are trying to say. The funny thing about this whole back and forth is you all are both essentially saying the same thing.

You're saying that you have little respect for several opponents on the schedule. It's not what they are or what they are doing, it's what Tennessee is not doing. They're not good. Tennessee has been bad.

The other point of view does not dispute that some of these other teams are bad. It's just that since Tennessee is bad, you can't look at everyone else as being bad. Tennessee is right there with them. Until they prove otherwise, there is no such thing as a scrub for Tennessee because Tennessee is a scrub.

I don't think anyone is disputing that when the Tennessee program is run properly that they won't beat those "scrubs".

I think part of the disagreement is how long will it take for Tennessee, when run properly, to resume beating these "scrubs" with regularity.

Yeah, its funny that he mentions spurrier and south carolina, but fails to mention Franklin/Mason at Vandy, Freeze Ol Miss, Mullen Miss st, Stoops UK etc. So is logic basically applies to every "gimme" team he mentioned.
Its just that some folks dont want to admit the vols of the 90s are not here anymore and it will take years of proof to get it back. I hope CJP does that, but ill believe it when i see it.

 

[Iam4utalways]

Yeah, its funny that he mentions spurrier and south carolina, but fails to mention Franklin/Mason at Vandy, Freeze Ol Miss, Mullen Miss st, Stoops UK etc. So is logic basically applies to every "gimme" team he mentioned.
Its just that some folks dont want to admit the vols of the 90s are not here anymore and it will take years of proof to get it back. I hope CJP does that, but ill believe it when i see it.

Bobby Johnson did better at Vandy.

Cut did better at Ole miss.

Jackie Sherrill did better at Miss St..

Hal Mumme did better at Ky.

What's the point?

They aren't that much better.

We played down to them and lost. After the way you harped and harped about how bad of a loss it was back in 2016(We all saw it coming in 2017.), you have the nerve to act like you don't think of them as scrubs and a gimme game.

Seems you want it both ways.

They are a bad enough loss to get the coach fired, but not a gimme game.

11 years of SEC games plus the non annual SEC opponents from 2007. Which 11 years?

2008-2017 SEC record + 2 games from 2007+ another year(Which one?) = not your #s. That's 90 games over 11+ years not 89.

 

[volfannbama]

Bobby Johnson did better at Vandy.

Cut did better at Ole miss.

Jackie Sherrill did better at Miss St..

Hal Mumme did better at Ky.

What's the point?

They aren't that much better.

We played down to them and lost. After the way you harped and harped about how bad of a loss it was back in 2016(We all saw it coming in 2017.), you have the nerve to act like you don't think of them as scrubs and a gimme game.

Seems you want it both ways.

They are a bad enough loss to get the coach fired, but not a gimme game.

11 years of SEC games plus the non annual SEC opponents from 2007. Which 11 years?

2008-2017 SEC record + 2 games from 2007+ another year(Which one?) = not your #s. That's 90 games over 11+ years not 89.

Yeah, all that along with tennessee sucking over the last 15 years and thr games are no longer gimme and toss ups. Tennessee didnt " play down" we were just not good.

Still trying to come up with a theory about the numbers huh? Over one game as if that would change the point. But the record for each team is listed... add them up for yourself.

 

[Iam4utalways]

Yeah, all that along with tennessee sucking over the last 15 years and thr games are no longer gimme and toss ups. Tennessee didnt " play down" we were just not good.

Still trying to come up with a theory about the numbers huh? Over one game as if that would change the point. But the record for each team is listed... add them up for yourself.

Tell me the 11 years and I can do the rest.

We have lost more than our share of gimme and toss up games over the past few years. It has been due to our poor play. Butch's coaching style and his schemes where a loss producing train wreck. Now with all that behind us, we will have more gimme game type results.

I don't expect CJP to game plan to get leads just so he can start running clock with 10 minutes left in the 3rd qtr.

There are no gimme games for players and coaches only for fans that are better with #s and can accurately evaluate circumstances without bias.

 

[volfannbama]

Tell me the 11 years and I can do the rest.

We have lost more than our share of gimme and toss up games over the past few years. It has been due to our poor play. Butch's coaching style and his schemes where a loss producing train wreck. Now with all that behind us, we will have more gimme game type results.

I don't expect CJP to game plan to get leads just so he can start running clock with 10 minutes left in the 3rd qtr.

There are no gimme games for players and coaches only for fans that are better with #s and can accurately evaluate circumstances without bias.

Lol, trying to insult me while you still call games we win just over 50% of the time, gimmes and games we win less than 10% heck maybe about 5% of the time, toss ups. Lol

 

[Titan05]

Youre last paragraph is what is currently said about Tennessee.

This x1000

 

[LAVol1]

sept. 1 vs. West virginia (charlotte, n.c.)

w 16 -10 defense shines early, offense not so much.

sept. 8 etsu

w 48 - 12 defense shows up again, weak etsu
defense makes ut offense look good.

sept. 15 utep

w 38 - 22 pruitt put subs in too soon.

sept. 22 florida

w 19 - 10 pride on both struggling teams.

sept. 29 at georgia

l 38 - 16 defense on the field too often.

oct. 13 at auburn

l 28 -14 offense continues to lag behind defense
development.

oct. 20 alabama

w 19 -10 a shocking event. Offensive line begins to assert itself. Backs and receivers show up in the 4th quarter.

oct. 27 at south carolina

w 46-26 offense primed and confident. Pruitt inserts subs again too soon.

nov. 3 charlotte

w 49 - 10 subs play a significant amount of time.

nov. 10 kentucky

w 50 - 10 order of universe returns to form. But for three quarters wildcats make it a game. Pruitt doesn’t sub this time.

nov. 17 missouri

w 54 - 26 dooley hate is strong. Pruitt understands this and lets the beasts loose.

nov. 24 at vanderbilt

w 30 - 20 revenge game, lots of penalties, lots of highlight plays. This is going to be a heck of a game fueled by pride, intra-state hatred, and lots of vols fury. There will be bigger names in games in 2018 but this one has highlight championship all over it.

delusional!

 

[UGADawg4Life]

In college football I don't believe in ceilings for P5 teams.

We have 12 games on our schedule I expect to win. 4 I consider toss ups.

15-0 here we come.

2018. The year of the Vol.

Math much?

 

[NeverWe'llSever]

Math much?

Delusion on full display.

 

[volfannbama]

Delusion on full display.

To be fair he did respond to a post say

12 games i expect to win and 4 toss ups

15-0 here we come.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

I can't wait to hear all of the excuses if the expectations of an undefeated season gets pimp slapped by the reality of 4 or 5 wins.

 

[volfannbama]

I can't wait to hear all of the excuses if the expectations of an undefeated season gets pimp slapped by the reality of 4 or 5 wins.

Meh....it never stops them. They just start the same stuff next year and make up nicknames for those that see reality.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Sept. 1 vs. West Virginia (Charlotte, N.C.)

W 16 -10 Defense shines early, offense not so much.

Sept. 8 ETSU

W 48 - 12 Defense shows up again, weak ETSU
defense makes Ut offense look good.

Sept. 15 UTEP

W 38 - 22 Pruitt put subs in too soon.

Sept. 22 Florida

W 19 - 10 Pride on both struggling teams.

Sept. 29 at Georgia

L 38 - 16 Defense on the field too often.

Oct. 13 at Auburn

L 28 -14 Offense continues to lag behind defense
development.

Oct. 20 Alabama

W 19 -10 A shocking event. Offensive Line begins to assert itself. Backs and receivers show up in the 4th quarter.

Oct. 27 at South Carolina

W 46-26 Offense primed and confident. Pruitt inserts subs again too soon.

Nov. 3 Charlotte

W 49 - 10 Subs play a significant amount of time.

Nov. 10 Kentucky

W 50 - 10 Order of universe returns to form. But for three quarters Wildcats make it a game. Pruitt doesn’t sub this time.

Nov. 17 Missouri

W 54 - 26 Dooley hate is strong. Pruitt understands this and lets the beasts loose.

Nov. 24 at Vanderbilt

W 30 - 20 Revenge game, lots of penalties, lots of highlight plays. This is going to be a heck of a game fueled by pride, intra-state hatred, and lots of Vols fury. There will be bigger names in games in 2018 but this one has highlight championship all over it.

Can't go with 10 but I like the explanations. I can see 9 in that instance.

 

[82_VOL_83]

tell me the 11 years and i can do the rest.

We have lost more than our share of gimme and toss up games over the past few years. It has been due to our poor play. Butch's coaching style and his schemes where a loss producing train wreck. Now with all that behind us, we will have more gimme game type results.

I don't expect cjp to game plan to get leads just so he can start running clock with 10 minutes left in the 3rd qtr.

there are no gimme games for players and coaches only for fans that are better with #s and can accurately evaluate circumstances without bias.

wtf?

 

[Iam4utalways]

Math much?

Is my math wrong? Or punctuation?

Or both?

I'm impressed you number so good.

 

[Iam4utalways]

wtf?

I was going for a Big Boy Jab about his # being wrong.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Expecting wins over Ky and Vandy = seeing a real life unicorn?

That’s delusional.

It takes our worst for Vandy to get “two straight”.

What are you expecting against those two?

Do you have them down as losses?

I will count them as wins until a unicorn shows up and they beat us.

Redshirt Srs are 2-2 against Vandy counting redshirt year. True Srs are 1-2. Everyone else is a big O'fer. I agree with your premise but I have seen enough unicorns the past 6 years to begin to doubt reality.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I may be less informed than some, but I can compare the rosters of two teams and come up with an informed opinion.

If that's too much effort for "everybody else", don't lump me in with that.

Uninformed guess is not the same as what I've considered.

Have you compared the two rosters and have an opinion?

In what version of reality could you have compared the rosters of Vandy and UT over the last 6 years and EVER picked them to beat us 4 of the 6. My opinion based off talent is we should curb stomp them every year. History says don't take the bet. You are just making moronic speculations much like another poster or two. One of which has been welcomed to leave by most on here.

When you have FL and UGA fans making more sense than you are, you truly qualify as a champion of the offseason.

 

[82_VOL_83]

When people make outlandish predictions in Feb, especially ones whose team has a new HC and went 0-8, in the SEC the previous year, you have to wonder how much football knowledge they have. In this case I’m pretty sure you’re more of a cheerleader type and less of a footballl player type.

We played Bama in the NC and lost in OT. And we return a great roster of players and add six, five star players to that roster. Plus we have a proven staff that won the SEC, the Rose Bowl, and were two horrible calls from winning the NC, and I still wouldn’t predict a UGA win over Bama, or a 10-2 season at this point. But you go ahead. Tell Pruitt that you’re predicting 10-2 and a win over Bama and record the look on his face.😂

You are fortunate that Tua didn't play 4 quarters and embarrass you.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Nope. No crystal ball here.

What I can do and did was pull up both rosters and compare talent.

Let me tell you now there is a gap. In the past that gap was narrowed due to scheme and predictability of the scheme.

I am guilty of expecting CJP to be a little creative. Even if he ran the same exact schemes I'm expecting him to develop the players more than Butch did.

Try just a little to inform yourself. It's not that hard if you use the internet.

Or is using the technology and information beneath you?

You lost this argument early on. Your continued condescension is making you look childish now.

 

[UGADawg4Life]

You are fortunate that Tua didn't play 4 quarters and embarrass you.

Bama's fortunate that refs don't know the definition of offsides, facemask, and offensive holding.

The game went into OT and was decided by one play.

If Tua had played 4 quarters, Kirby and Mel would have had time to make adjustments.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Out biggest problem over the Butch era was that we were all on the same page. Our offense their defense. Our defense their offense. How many times did their defense appear to know what was coming and promptly stuff the give to our RB? How many times did their offense out formation us and bounce it to the outside for a big gain?

Down play coaching as much as you want, but it was the issue when it came to how we developed and utilized our players.

Running a plain offense and defense, it was like we brought checkers to a chess match and couldn't figure out why we were struggling.

I'm not sure owned is the right work for almost all of the league. Don't get me wrong it's been the worst streach that I can think of, but I've only been watching for a little over 30 years. I don't consider losing a highly contested game that comes down to the last plays as being owned. Even if the end result is a loss. Bottom line sure we have lost plenty to plenty. But owned? Nah. Not so much.

There are several teams on our schedule that plan on taking us to the woodshed. That doesn't mean they will. This isn't Butch's team anymore. I doubt we hang out hat on less than 10 plays ever again.

Bring on Sept. 1st.

I've been able to guess our offense since about 92. It has ALWAYS been predictable. We have depended on talent and execution. If you can honestly say you watched Phil Fulmer's offenses and couldn't tell with about 65 - 70% certainty what was coming, you haven't watched UT much. We can have 100 plays but if the team can't execute the plays, it makes no difference.

All your arguments boil down to you being on the losing side of the betting sheet most of the last decade with Vandy.