'18 GA QB Emory Jones (Ohio State commit)

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InVOLuntary said:
That's sort of my point. Worley was not athletic enough to be successful in this offense with that line where Dobbs was is. I realize the line has improved but when the lines were similar Dobbs was able to make plays with his legs where Worley wasn't.

Back when Worley was running the show, everybody was complaining that he would never keep it making the ZR impotent because there was no threat of the qb keeping it. Everyone was saying Worley was scared to keep it when later it came out the coaches would never let him keep it. I remember in the GA game he did keep it and nobody in North America expected it and it went for big yardage.

I think we are seeing Butch's offense exactly the way he wants it. He wants to run it first and throw in some little dinks and dunks here and there. Maybe he'd like to throw it down field a little more but for reasons that have been debated here to the death he hasn't yet. Maybe this year?

I still don't think a pro-style, pocket passer fits this offense. I don't begrudge TL going to GA for this reason. JG on the other hand makes me question his decision making ability. All JMO.
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Right, but if Worley had the current line, the coaches might have the luxury of allowing him to play to his strengths. Don't get me wrong, you're right this offense is better suited with a DT. I just don't think we can look at the situation with Worley as evidence that Butch would not adjust the offense to play to the strengths of a pocket passer.

When Worley was here, he could not sit in the pocket because line couldn't hold. However, he wasn't athletic enough to make up for the line's shortcomings (where Dobbs was/is) with his legs. That's why I believe we saw the restrictions in his allowance to keep in ZR (as you pointed out). But we can't say definetly the offense could not be adjusted where the line would allow for it to be because that situation has yet to happen. We haven't had a PP and a good line under Butch yet.
 
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The offense contains the plays that could generate big numbers for the QB and WRs capable of running them. The issue is whether we call them and/or whether they are successful when we do. They are running the ball 60% because that is where we are having the best success. When we have a QB who can hit receivers down field and WRs that can get open down field, you'll see it change.
 
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SSVol said:
The offense contains the plays that could generate big numbers for the QB and WRs capable of running them. The issue is whether we call them and/or whether they are successful when we do. They are running the ball 60% because that is where we are having the best success. When we have a QB who can hit receivers down field and WRs that can get open down field, you'll see it change.
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Are you suggesting a 'Balanced Offense', sir?

That sure would be nice but as long as the offense "runs" roughshod over the opposing D and Dobbs is the QB we have to hope for success with the horses we currently have. I like your thought though.
 
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jdhallvols said:
Are you suggesting a 'Balanced Offense', sir?

That sure would be nice but as long as the offense "runs" roughshod over the opposing D and Dobbs is the QB we have to hope for success with the horses we currently have. I like your thought though.
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I certainly don't think we bias so strongly to the run by design. Butch is pragmatic and analytical, probably to a fault. He has evaluated the plays called and the plays not called and chooses what he believes gives us the best chance to win. I fully expect that we will run the ball more than throw, even when balanced, but the difference will come in how often we go mid to long distances rather than the short stuff we see do much of. If you go 55/45 with some success further down the field, the numbers will look far better...even without a significant change in system or philosophy.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
That's sort of my point. Worley was not athletic enough to be successful in this offense with that line where Dobbs was is. I realize the line has improved but when the lines were similar Dobbs was able to make plays with his legs where Worley wasn't.

Back when Worley was running the show, everybody was complaining that he would never keep it making the ZR impotent because there was no threat of the qb keeping it. Everyone was saying Worley was scared to keep it when later it came out the coaches would never let him keep it. I remember in the GA game he did keep it and nobody in North America expected it and it went for big yardage.

I think we are seeing Butch's offense exactly the way he wants it. He wants to run it first and throw in some little dinks and dunks here and there. Maybe he'd like to throw it down field a little more but for reasons that have been debated here to the death he hasn't yet. Maybe this year?

I still don't think a pro-style, pocket passer fits this offense. I don't begrudge TL going to GA for this reason. JG on the other hand makes me question his decision making ability. All JMO.
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Kinda confused...what does that last sentence mean? Do you think Jarret G made a bad decision in choosing us? I'm sorry if I misinterpreted that.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
That's sort of my point. Worley was not athletic enough to be successful in this offense with that line where Dobbs was is. I realize the line has improved but when the lines were similar Dobbs was able to make plays with his legs where Worley wasn't.

Back when Worley was running the show, everybody was complaining that he would never keep it making the ZR impotent because there was no threat of the qb keeping it. Everyone was saying Worley was scared to keep it when later it came out the coaches would never let him keep it. I remember in the GA game he did keep it and nobody in North America expected it and it went for big yardage.

I think we are seeing Butch's offense exactly the way he wants it. He wants to run it first and throw in some little dinks and dunks here and there. Maybe he'd like to throw it down field a little more but for reasons that have been debated here to the death he hasn't yet. Maybe this year?

I still don't think a pro-style, pocket passer fits this offense. I don't begrudge TL going to GA for this reason. HJ on the other hand makes me question his decision making ability. All JMO.
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Ahhh..now that makes sense :) I question a lot of things about HJ.
 
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butchna said:
Brendon Kay outplayed Munchie...two years in a row.
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Legaux was the starter in 2012 and got the majority of the snaps...in Butch's last year. Legaux got the snaps in that offense and Kay and Kiel once Tubbs took over and installed a more typical pro-style offense.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Legaux was the starter in 2012 and got the majority of the snaps...in Butch's last year. Legaux got the snaps in that offense and Kay and Kiel once Tubbs took over and installed a more typical pro-style offense.
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I could be wrong on this, but I'm fairly certain Butch replaced Legaux with Kay as the starter 6-7 games into 2012.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Legaux was the starter in 2012 and got the majority of the snaps...in Butch's last year. Legaux got the snaps in that offense and Kay and Kiel once Tubbs took over and installed a more typical pro-style offense.
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Kay outplayed him in 2011 and went into Spring as the expected starter. Had an injury that limited his snaps and Munchie took over. Tanked before his injury allowed Kay to retake the job and the offense didn't look back. It could just be the inverse side of Worley not being as good of a player as Dobbs...not their style. In any case, that was a specific example of the pro- style option faring better than the DT in Butch's offense...maybe why he keeps recruiting both? :dunno:
 
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With TN out of the Trevor Lawrence Sweepstakes, Emory Jones now becomes a must have player if we are going to maintain the level that we want to be at. We aren't actively recruting any QBs in the 2017 class and EJ is the priority for us in the 18' class. Also, after watching his tape and the throwing ability he brings on the run, I feel that Butch will be able to utilize him well. It is encouraging to see Emory retweet a lot of Vol related material on his feed.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
With TN out of the Trevor Lawrence Sweepstakes, Emory Jones now becomes a must have player if we are going to maintain the level that we want to be at. We aren't actively recruting any QBs in the 2017 class and EJ is the priority for us in the 18' class. Also, after watching his tape and the throwing ability he brings on the run, I feel that Butch will be able to utilize him well. It is encouraging to see Emory retweet a lot of Vol related material on his feed.
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How do you know they're not actively recruiting a 17' QB? You part of the staff?
 
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1 in 102 said:
Not necessarily. It's hard to say. The o-line couldn't hold long enough to give Worley time. The line dictated our offensive play. Dobbs alleviated that issue with his legs. Would be interesting to see how Worley could do with our current line. I think whether the offense is (truly) adaptable to a pocket passer is yet to be seen.
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Worley was a below average QB. He basically played up to the level of his ranking coming out of HS. Would have been a career backup QB at any healthy SEC school. People assuming every pro-style QB will look like him in this offense, but it's simply not true.
 
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butchna said:
Kay outplayed him in 2011 and went into Spring as the expected starter. Had an injury that limited his snaps and Munchie took over. Tanked before his injury allowed Kay to retake the job and the offense didn't look back. It could just be the inverse side of Worley not being as good of a player as Dobbs...not their style. In any case, that was a specific example of the pro- style option faring better than the DT in Butch's offense...maybe why he keeps recruiting both? :dunno:
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This is exactly how it played out between Munchie and Kay. Kay would have been the starter going into the 2012 season had he not had multiple injury setback's in the off-season. Unfortunately injuries pretty much plagued Kay his whole career. The offense was much more successful under Kay than it was under Munchie.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
With TN out of the Trevor Lawrence Sweepstakes, Emory Jones now becomes a must have player if we are going to maintain the level that we want to be at. We aren't actively recruting any QBs in the 2017 class and EJ is the priority for us in the 18' class. Also, after watching his tape and the throwing ability he brings on the run, I feel that Butch will be able to utilize him well. It is encouraging to see Emory retweet a lot of Vol related material on his feed.
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Jones is without a doubt the most important guy on the board at any position, in any class. He is a MUST get. They've basically got all their eggs in his basket for QB in both the '17 and '18 classes. He's definitely a special player and also an alpha type personality who would help with recruiting big-time going forward.
 
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Montrell Hardy said:
This is exactly how it played out between Munchie and Kay. Kay would have been the starter going into the 2012 season had he not had multiple injury setback's in the off-season. Unfortunately injuries pretty much plagued Kay his whole career. The offense was much more successful under Kay than it was under Munchie.
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Munchie had the cooler name, though
 
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justwatch123 said:
This kid is on par talent wise with JG comin out of high school.
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I actually like Emory a little bit more. And that is no slight at all against JG. I just think Emory is a definite 5-star type talent. He has insane athleticism and quickness and a rocket arm. I think he shocked a lot of these analysts with how well he threw the ball in the spring.
 
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Montrell Hardy said:
I actually like Emory a little bit more. And that is no slight at all against JG. I just think Emory is a definite 5-star type talent. He has insane athleticism and quickness and a rocket arm. I think he shocked a lot of these analysts with how well he threw the ball in the spring.
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Yea with me it's either or. Both can sling it. And they are both excellant atheletes. We could go on a crazy run if we secure Jones. Both of these kids can take over games and carry a team on their backs.
 
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