'10 JUCO QB Cameron Newton

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LWSVOL said:
they have offered over 200 players. they won't take commitments from 200 players. You make tons of offers but you only take 25-30 commitments. You don't take a commitment from kids when you think you have a chance with better kids. If they lose out on others they like better, then sure they might end up with one or more..

schools lose out every year on kids they would rather have and end up with kids they would not have perferred. Happens to all schools

one additional comment. This coaching staff does not recruit to stars. they recruit to their assessment of the talent levels.
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Fair enough. But we have extended offers to only 10 HS QB's according to Eric's list, and 2 are already committed to other schools. It's not like we are just offering anyone.

I still think landing Heaps or Scroggins would be better in the long run than Newton or Marve, but that's just my personal opinion. I believe we will be in the running for a top QB every year as long as CLK is here.

The star thing was just to show that there are talented (and highly sought after) HS Qb's out there, but I understand that evaluations of players by college programs have nothing to do with stars.

One question I do have... you said that you don't take a commitment when you think you can get a better one... But I thought if you offered, and a kid committed, then you have to uphold the scholly offer. Are you really able to not take a commitment from someone you have offered a scholarship to? I understand we offer a bunch of players, and once a few from a position commit, then it isn't likely for others in that position to commit, but theoretically, couldn't all who have an offer commit? Just curious.
 
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423VOL said:
Fair enough. But we have extended offers to only 10 HS QB's according to Eric's list, and 2 are already committed to other schools. It's not like we are just offering anyone.

I still think landing Heaps or Scroggins would be better in the long run than Newton or Marve, but that's just my personal opinion. I believe we will be in the running for a top QB every year as long as CLK is here.

The star thing was just to show that there are talented (and highly sought after) HS Qb's out there, but I understand that evaluations of players by college programs have nothing to do with stars.

One question I do have... you said that you don't take a commitment when you think you can get a better one... But I thought if you offered, and a kid committed, then you have to uphold the scholly offer. Are you really able to not take a commitment from someone you have offered a scholarship to? I understand we offer a bunch of players, and once a few from a position commit, then it isn't likely for others in that position to commit, but theoretically, couldn't all who have an offer commit? Just curious.
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it's an ethics issue...you don't have to uphold anything. it begins to look bad though when you take away schollys
 
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UTvol1fn said:
it's an ethics issue...you don't have to uphold anything. it begins to look bad though when you take away schollys
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I don't see that. Most job offers come with a two to four week, give us a response, 'exploding' condition. I don't see how or why recruits should be able to sit on offers for more than a year and then make surprise announcements on NSD a bout where they are going.

There was talk about moving signing forward at one point last year, but does anyone know if or how that was resolved?

It would be nice to have 'real' (e.g. signed) commitments a bit earlier and it seems a lot of this top recruits could figure it out sooner. I know they have their senior years in high school ongoing and many take visits in the fall, but I'm just saying, it would be nice to know which positions are filled and which are open.

While I'm on the NCAA rules stuff, with the increasing transient nature of coaching, the 1 year sit out period seems unfair to players. If they're on a team and are not starting, they only have so much time to work with to get their once in lifetime shot at the NFL together. Team needs change with coaching changes. I think players who get paid nothing but a scholarship to generate so much in revenues for their schools deserve more flexibility in the college system when it comes to transferring. Coaches have way too much power in deciding to which schools a player can transfer. Limiting within conference transfer is one thing, but to have total authority over where a player can go seems too punitive. Perhaps players could make transfer decisions without penalty before the spring term.

I'm not sure what the solutions are, but players need better representation in some cases and institutions need better commitment projections in others.
 
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definitely not disagreeing with you utmba but the kid does sign the dotted line and is clearly told about this stuff. I agree there should be more flexibility with transfers its just no one want fifty million kids transfering schools every year and trying to sort out who is going where. It would be almost continous recruitment for a player. I think it can be resolved where the transfering window is more leniant, I just don't want to be the person who has to come up with it.
 
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volguy0992 said:
definitely not disagreeing with you utmba but the kid does sign the dotted line and is clearly told about this stuff. I agree there should be more flexibility with transfers its just no one want fifty million kids transfering schools every year and trying to sort out who is going where. It would be almost continous recruitment for a player. I think it can be resolved where the transfering window is more leniant, I just don't want to be the person who has to come up with it.
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Exactly!

It would be all recruiting, all the time.

Can you imagine a LB making a tackle on the opponents sideline, and having the opposing players / coaches say..."nice play, you should play for us next year."

The one year penalty is necessary to prevent chaos.
 
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volguy0992 said:
definitely not disagreeing with you utmba but the kid does sign the dotted line and is clearly told about this stuff. I agree there should be more flexibility with transfers its just no one want fifty million kids transfering schools every year and trying to sort out who is going where. It would be almost continous recruitment for a player. I think it can be resolved where the transfering window is more leniant, I just don't want to be the person who has to come up with it.
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All good points! :good!:

It's a complicated problem, but it needs some resolution. Players can't have too much control over coaches (e.g. let me play or I quit), but coaches shouldn't have so much over players when both essentially agree the player is not their best option for that position. I'm not just thinking about Marve and Newton, but the players who left UT as well, and I'm sure other programs have similar issues.

Kiffin's honesty is extremely refreshing on all these player assessments. I know that's too uncommon as well.
 
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Everyone should listen to the yesterday's "Smokey Howline" radio show with James Bryant. They talk alot about QB recruiting (Marve, Newton, Munchie, Hendrix, Brennan, Kaiser, Rees, Lee, Lamaison). JB also says that he chased the Newton story very hard and according to the Blinn coaches, UT has not showed any interest in Newton yet...
JB puts some good recruiting info on this show...
 
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423VOL said:
One question I do have... you said that you don't take a commitment when you think you can get a better one... But I thought if you offered, and a kid committed, then you have to uphold the scholly offer. Are you really able to not take a commitment from someone you have offered a scholarship to? I understand we offer a bunch of players, and once a few from a position commit, then it isn't likely for others in that position to commit, but theoretically, couldn't all who have an offer commit? Just curious.
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they could try to commit. it is at that point the staff has to decide if they are taking the commitment or not. If Scroggins called them up to commit for example, they would have to make the decision to go with him as the QB choice or turn him loose. If they said to him we are not ready to take a QB commitment, he likely would drop UT down his list or off the list completely. Probably down because he would likely want to not put out appearances that UT had turned him down. all part of the game.

this is just part of the process. Just like a commitment is not binding from a recruit until he signs the LOI, an offer is not binding from the school until the LOI is signed. We saw that last fall when we had about 12-13 kids change minds. Some were the kdis and some were the school.

I already know of a DT who tried to commit publicly and we pulled it for now. I think it is likely he ends up signing with us but it is also dependent on who else becomes interested and wants to commit / sign..

recruiting is very dynamic from both sides...
 
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Who is this DT that committed publicly that we pulled. If you can't tell that's cool, just kinda curious.
 
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you can go to volchat on scout.com recruiting forums. it is pinned up. its free. I really enjoyed it.
 
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Has anyone heard if Kiffin is scouting Newton? The last I heard, we have not offered a scholly yet.
 
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Smokey 77 said:
Has anyone heard if Kiffin is scouting Newton? The last I heard, we have not offered a scholly yet.
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There is a good reason why they haven't offered Newton. Everybody talks about second chances but nobody seems to consider the concept of judgement. the qb position is a position that is highly reliant on a players judgment. stealing a computer at that age says a lot about his judgement ability in general. The world is comprised of "get its" and "don't get its"...if you don't have the ability to recognize the opportunity before you at this level, you clearly don't get it. I truly hope they don't offer him, and I will lose respect for the staff if they do.
 
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