'10 CA QB Jesse Scroggins (USC Solid Verbal)

Which school will Scroggins verbally commit to tomorrow?

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#5,977
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Sabanocchio said:
Dude, I haven't even heard of that guy. I think we are arguing guys that played in a spread-like system since the spread has only existed in it's current form since Drew Brees and Jim Cheney. About that timeframe I mean.

Warren Moon. He's gotta count. All he played in the CFL was spread, shotgun formation. Pass, pass, pass.
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You haven't heard of Kingsbury? He threw for over 3,000 yards 3 straight years at Texas Tech. He's Mike Leach's first good QB. He won the Sammy Baugh award which is for the nations top QB. He held 39 school, 13 Big 12 and seven NCAA records at the time of his graduation...

And I thought we were arguing strictly Spread offense. Just taking snaps out of shotgun is not the same thing. There have been many good QBs who have had good NFL careers who have done that...
 
#5,982
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Lord Vader said:
You haven't heard of Kingsbury? He threw for over 3,000 yards 3 straight years at Texas Tech. He's Mike Leach's first good QB. He won the Sammy Baugh award which is for the nations top QB. He held 39 school, 13 Big 12 and seven NCAA records at the time of his graduation...

And I thought we were arguing strictly Spread offense. Just taking snaps out of shotgun is not the same thing. There have been many good QBs who have had good NFL careers who have done that...
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Nope. Haven't head of him. Not sure why not. But if we are going on pure spread I don't have a long history to go off of. I don't even think Vince Young would qualify since they don't run a pure spread at Texas. We would need to start over.
 
#5,984
#5,984
Sabanocchio said:
So is every QB in this class.
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Not really. There are a couple of QB's in this class that won't have really any trouble transitioning to doing the 3-5-7 step drops that are required for a PS offense. Heaps, Sims (Phillip), and Scroggins are going to translate the quickest, IMO.
 
#5,985
#5,985
Sabanocchio said:
Nope. Haven't head of him. Not sure why not. But if we are going on pure spread I don't have a long history to go off of. I don't even think Vince Young would qualify since they don't run a pure spread at Texas. We would need to start over.
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Yea and you have no argument either cuz the spread kills NFL QBs. Your right bout VY, I wouldn't consider that the spread...
 
#5,986
#5,986
matts42012volfan said:
Newton is a athlete. A very rare athlete. I am pretty sure he wont have a problem with footwork or anything.
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If that was the case, don't you think more pro-style teams would have went after him when he was coming out of HS?? Looking at his offer list coming out of HS, looks like a who's who of spreads and hybrid offenses. The only team that offered him out of HS that wasn't a hybrid or spread was Georgia.
 
#5,987
#5,987
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Not really. There are a couple of QB's in this class that won't have really any trouble transitioning to doing the 3-5-7 step drops that are required for a PS offense. Heaps, Sims (Phillip), and Scroggins are going to translate the quickest, IMO.
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And you have no proof Cam Newton wouldn't do the same. None.
 
#5,989
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
If that was the case, don't you think more pro-style teams would have went after him when he was coming out of HS?? Looking at his offer list coming out of HS, looks like a who's who of spreads and hybrid offenses. The only team that offered him out of HS that wasn't a hybrid or spread was Georgia.
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Michigan under Lloyd Carr, Orgeron at Ole Miss, LSU, Oklahoma, Georgia. Those aren't all pro-style offenses?
 
#5,990
#5,990
Sabanocchio said:
What Mike Leach does is not conventional spread anyway.
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whats is the underlying difference? i was always assuming it had to do with a lack of QB mobility, more of a "pass first" mentality rather than a run-pass at 50/50. GH wasnt exactly Pat White...
 
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#5,995
PA Vol said:
whats is the underlying difference? i was always assuming it had to do with a lack of QB mobility, more of a "pass first" mentality rather than a run-pass at 50/50. GH wasnt exactly Pat White...
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Leach's version has huge line splits to create passing/running lanes.
 
#5,996
#5,996
g8terh8ter_eric said:
It's almost identical to what Oklahoma runs, from what I see.
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Not quite. During the VY years, Texas operated out of the zone read type spread pretty much all the time.

OU runs a lot of 3 and 4 wide shotgun plays, but they also line up with a TE or two on almost every play as well, and they do get under center and run quite a few plays.
 
#6,000
#6,000
g8terh8ter_eric said:
It's almost identical to what Oklahoma runs, from what I see.
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That's the problem . . . every team that has ever used the shotgun is now labeled "Spread", but what Oklahoma is doing is light years away from what Florida and West Virginia are doing.
 
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