'10 CA QB Jesse Scroggins (USC Solid Verbal)

Which school will Scroggins verbally commit to tomorrow?

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g8terh8ter_eric said:
It's WAY different taking snaps from center than it is from the shotgun. Ask another athlete that went from the spread to under center and hasn't done that well. His name is Vince Young.
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You think that could have something to do with being in the NFL and not being able to throw?
 
#5,903
#5,903
Vince has done bad because he cant throw! Look at his throwing motion. I have played in the spread and Pro style. Its not a hard transition.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
If you were a QB that had a shot to land the starting job, and you believe he can, at two schools that have been to BCS bowls and won NC's in the past few years or so, wouldn't you give it a shot?? UT isn't guaranteed anything right now, other than rebuilding. We are going to have to show some type of success before we get these top flight guys to give us "serious" consideration. We are in it with top guys right now, but we are still behind the other teams 6-8 months in this year's class alone. Once we get on the field this fall, a lot of questions will be answered for the recruits out there. If we have success, we will close stronger than most expect. If not, then we will struggle to hold on to some of our commits and be forced to take commits from lower ranked guys.
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Eric. I agree with your post for the most part. How can you explain UT landing Bryce Brown and Janzen Jackson with the philosophy that we are doing nothing but rebuilding? I agree that winning will bring big recruits easier. The staff is doing something to get the names they got in the 09 class.
 
#5,905
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
It's WAY different taking snaps from center than it is from the shotgun. Ask another athlete that went from the spread to under center and hasn't done that well. His name is Vince Young.
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Vince Youngs struggles in the NFL have had little to nothing to do with moving under center. He simply cannot read defenses and decipher them. In college he took the snap, looked for one open guy....he wasnt there, and he took off running. he got away with it in college because he was the superior athlete on the field. you do not get away with that in the NFL unless you want to have a REALLY short career.
 
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BuckeyeVols said:
Vince Youngs struggles in the NFL have had little to nothing to do with moving under center. He simply cannot read defenses and decipher them. In college he took the snap, looked for one open guy....he wasnt there, and he took off running. he got away with it in college because he was the superior athlete on the field. you do not get away with that in the NFL unless you want to have a REALLY short career.
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Most of the time that I have watched him play out of the Shotgun he has done MUCH better. Under center, not so much.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
No, it has to do with mechanics. Footwork, release point, field vision, and other things that have to be worked on for years to get them to elite status while playing under center.
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You could put that guy in deep punt formation and his footwork, release and vision would still suck.
 
#5,913
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Who is this Jesse guy you keep talking about?? :)
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The way this thread has gone, it might as well be this guy:

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#5,921
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Most of the time that I have watched him play out of the Shotgun he has done MUCH better. Under center, not so much.
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You can believe what you want I guess.... I played the position through high school and 2 years at a JUCO, with a former college coach and referee as a Father. Being in the shotgun does not "help" you read the field....it simply buys your O-Line an extra second of pass protection. Vince Young had never read a defense in his life until he got to the NFL. That is his problem, not just taking the snap from 4 yards closer to the LOS.
 
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BuckeyeVols said:
You can believe what you want I guess.... I played the position through high school and 2 years at a JUCO, with a former college coach and referee as a Father. Being in the shotgun does not "help" you read the field....it simply buys your O-Line an extra second of pass protection. Vince Young had never read a defense in his life until he got to the NFL. That is his problem, not just taking the snap from 4 yards closer to the LOS.
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He could not read at all was the sad thing. :cray:
 
#5,923
#5,923
BuckeyeVols said:
You can believe what you want I guess.... I played the position through high school and 2 years at a JUCO, with a former college coach and referee as a Father. Being in the shotgun does not "help" you read the field....it simply buys your O-Line an extra second of pass protection. Vince Young had never read a defense in his life until he got to the NFL. That is his problem, not just taking the snap from 4 yards closer to the LOS.
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Those two lines contradict themselves by nature. Having more time to read the field is imperative for those QB's that need more time and aren't that great on dropping back.If you are in the shotgun, you have more of a chance to get a pass off and don't have to be as crisp in mechanics than you do if you are under center. BTW, USC's defense wasn't exactly chopped liver.
 
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#5,924
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Sometimes because of the way someone plays for so long, it's hard to correct the major flaws that people have in mechanics in any sport. He's played the way he has for so long, I'm not sure that we would want to try. We have to many other projects to worry about.
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No, Eric. No. That's not true. Spread guys are turned into Pro Style players in the NFL all the time and we are talking often about guys that have operated in the spread for at least all of HS and all of college. It's about their skill set, not what offense they are familiar with. A pro style offense is a plus, but never a requirement.

We aren't taking a serious look at Newton for nothing. This is a kid that has prototypical size for operating in a pro style offense.

matts42012volfan said:
Sab, if Newton wanted to commit to us now. Would you take him?
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Without hesitation.
 
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