Justin Gatlin (Merged)

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Vol423 said:
This has been tried before with the SF 49ers signing Renaldo Neimiah back in the 80's, and I'm sure that this time will meet with equally disastrous results.
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exactly what I was thinking.

The fastest 40 time I remember was a 4.18 by rocket ishmael. I think Gatlin would be faster but not by a lot, maybe a 4.05.
 
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Vol423 said:
It's also totally wrong. Despite the fact that your math may be correct, you can't extrapolate a time per meter run for 100 meters over a 40-yard dash and be anywhere close to accurate. Nobody, no matter how great they are out of the blocks, is as fast out of the blocks as they are when they reach their top-end speed. In a 100-meter race, the relatively slower running speed when the person starts out of the blocks is spread over an entire 100-meters, where in a 40-yard dash a smaller percentage of the race is spent at top-end speed.
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Actually, this is totally wrong, unless you are a amateur sprinter. A trained sprinter, track/stealing base/whatever, will be at full speed in 2-4 strides.
 
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I also qualify my post above by saying yes, the sustained speed in the 100 would be incrementally faster over the last 60 in that those that have 2nd gear kick it in about then. As for Carl Lewis, he maintained full speed out of the blocks whiles the comp expended theirs and fell off the pace.
 
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GVF said:
Actually, this is totally wrong, unless you are a amateur sprinter. A trained sprinter, track/stealing base/whatever, will be at full speed in 2-4 strides.
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I think what he is saying is that you can't convert 100 meter times to 40 times based on simple math when clearly the slowest 40 yards would be the first 40 yards.

The closest comparison in the track world to a 40 time is the 60 meters which has a world record of around 6.4 seconds. Even if you factor in .1-.2 seconds reaction time for a starter's gun, a 40 time under about 4.2-4.3 is suspect even for a world class sprinter.
 
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My buddy in HS was very fast, ran just under a 4.4 I think maybe a 4.5, but he told me forever that the only realistic way to run 40 yards in under 4.3 seconds is to measure the last 40 yards of a 60 yard sprint.

Anything else, and someone is being too generous with a stopwatch. This is secondhand info.
 
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GAVol said:
I think what he is saying is that you can't convert 100 meter times to 40 times based on simple math when clearly the slowest 40 yards would be the first 40 yards.

The closest comparison in the track world to a 40 time is the 60 meters which has a world record of around 6.4 seconds. Even if you factor in .1-.2 seconds reaction time for a starter's gun, a 40 time under about 4.2-4.3 is suspect even for a world class sprinter.
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Are you talking about someone timing by stopwatch? I would assume he is faster than Reggie bush, who I believe ran a low 4.3... It's hard to say for sure but I assume if you time it the way most football players time it, it would be low in the 4.2's.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Are you talking about someone timing by stopwatch?
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From what I've read, that's part of the problem: stopwatch times are unreliable and are usually a tenth or two fast since they usually are started on the runner's first move rather than an actual fixed point like a starter's gun.
 
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Vol423 said:
Precisely, but even under the more stringent timing methodology employed at the NFL combine and private workouts for NFL teams, you never see 40 times under 4.2. Anyone thinking that Gatlin can break a 4.0 is in fantasy land.
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What I'm about to say is completely hear say and I am on record as saying that I haven't seen this. BUT....my trainor at the Rush in Knoxville was a sprinter on the track team around Gatlin's time. We were discussing Gatlin trying out for the 49ers' and he told me he had seen gatlin run an electronically timed 3.8 40...on Tom Black track in sprinter's spikes. Now...I'm like you...I immediately didn't believe this but my trainor made a point to me that made sense. He said that he laughs when people talk about an NFL player having "world class speed" because if they truly mean "world class" then they have to include sprinters in the discussion and he said there is absolutely no comparison between football players and sprinters. He said every once in a while you get a track guy that wil also play football (i.e. Wade, Scott, etc.) But even then they are usually the 2nd or 3rd sprinter on the team at best. And int eh case of Gatlin you are talking about the fastest man in the world in his prime. So I'm not entirely convinced that 4.0 or even 3.9 would be impossible for him.
 
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blamie said:
What I'm about to say is completely hear say and I am on record as saying that I haven't seen this. BUT....my trainor at the Rush in Knoxville was a sprinter on the track team around Gatlin's time. We were discussing Gatlin trying out for the 49ers' and he told me he had seen gatlin run an electronically timed 3.8 40...on Tom Black track in sprinter's spikes. Now...I'm like you...I immediately didn't believe this but my trainor made a point to me that made sense. He said that he laughs when people talk about an NFL player having "world class speed" because if they truly mean "world class" then they have to include sprinters in the discussion and he said there is absolutely no comparison between football players and sprinters. He said every once in a while you get a track guy that wil also play football (i.e. Wade, Scott, etc.) But even then they are usually the 2nd or 3rd sprinter on the team at best. And int eh case of Gatlin you are talking about the fastest man in the world in his prime. So I'm not entirely convinced that 4.0 or even 3.9 would be impossible for him.
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Haven't the world's fastest sprinters been timed in the 40, too? I've never heard of under a 4.3
 
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blamie said:
What I'm about to say is completely hear say and I am on record as saying that I haven't seen this. BUT....my trainor at the Rush in Knoxville was a sprinter on the track team around Gatlin's time. We were discussing Gatlin trying out for the 49ers' and he told me he had seen gatlin run an electronically timed 3.8 40...on Tom Black track in sprinter's spikes. Now...I'm like you...I immediately didn't believe this but my trainor made a point to me that made sense. He said that he laughs when people talk about an NFL player having "world class speed" because if they truly mean "world class" then they have to include sprinters in the discussion and he said there is absolutely no comparison between football players and sprinters. He said every once in a while you get a track guy that wil also play football (i.e. Wade, Scott, etc.) But even then they are usually the 2nd or 3rd sprinter on the team at best. And int eh case of Gatlin you are talking about the fastest man in the world in his prime. So I'm not entirely convinced that 4.0 or even 3.9 would be impossible for him.
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Fantasy land.
 
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GAVol said:
Complete fantasy land . . . If the 60 meter record is 6.35 seconds, how the heck is anybody running under 4.0 on the slowest part of the run?
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He went to UT; therefore, he must be able to do it. It's truly amazing to me that people that claim to know so much about football and sports in general could be so utterly clueless as to legitimate 40 times.
 
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For those of you that didn't see this excellent article that GAVol previously posted in this thread. This article states:

"But it is another Canadian, Ben Johnson, who is believed to have run 40 yards faster than any human in history. Johnson is best known for injecting copious amounts of steroids and winning the 100 meters at the 1988 Olympics in Seoul in 9.79 seconds, only to have his gold medal and world record stripped after failing a post-race drug test.

Timing officials have since broken down that famed race into 10-meter increments, and Johnson was so preposterously fast that he went through 50 meters in 5.52 seconds and 60 meters in 6.37 -- both under the current world records at those distances. He went through 40 yards that day in 4.38 seconds."

United States Olympic Committee - The NFL treats 40-yard dash times as sacred
 
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Vol423 said:
He went to UT; therefore, he must be able to do it. It's truly amazing to me that people that claim to know so much about football and sports in general could be so utterly clueless as to legitimate 40 times.
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There's a lot more to sports than the 40 yard dash. I feel like I'm pretty knowledgable about sports, but I don't really know or care what the fastest 40 time ever is. That record holds the same amount of significance to me as professional badminton records.
 
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