Justin Gatlin (Merged)

I didn't overlook this comment in your previous post. If you want to make the point that Gatlin and other world class track sprinters are much faster than these NFL players that are being reported as having 4.2 to 4.3 40-yard dash times, then I agree (and have been repeatedly making this point all along). However, if you want to state that deducting items from a correctly timed 40-yard dash to arrive at some mythical time that would be the equivalent of a garbage NFL combine hand-timed event, then I disagree. The whole point is that NFL combine hand-timed 40-yard dashes are inherently worthless because of the numerous flaws in the timing mechanisms. These timing flaws are not constant. They are different for one sprinter than for another, and make comparisons virtually worthless from a realistic standpoint.

That was a much more reasonable reply than a couple of the others and I thank you for that. Still, you tenaciously cling to a couple views that you actually contradict yourself over. At no time do I attempt to arrive at a "mythical" anything. I take a known time YOU provide and apply time conversions YOU also provide to arrive at an adjusted time. Forgive me sir but you simply cannot sanely argue that you promote as accurate the use of these figures one way and not the other. The problem is simple, people trying to make this arguement of comparing track times DIRECTLY to football 40's is simply flawed at it's core. The two are run under completely different conditions, it's that simple. It was Zeigler's egregious error to attempt to do just that and then not finish the job. Make no mistake, this is precisely what Zeigler was trying to do:

"Four-point-three-eight seconds.
Then again, maybe Ben Johnson isn't the fastest 40-yard man in the world.
Maybe half the NFL is faster."

Aside from the fact that Maurice Greene has since clobbered Johnson's 40 the direct track comparison to football 40's is right there...and utterly incorrect.

I think a major misconception you have is that the NFL Combine is awash with sub-4.3 40's and is a bunch of bunk. Perhaps it would ease your mind to learn that since electronic timing was brought to the combine in '90 the fastest time recorded is a 4.25 by Fabian Washington. Since the man has a "real" 10.18 100m track time does that truly shock you? Which leaves us with this:

If they are having guys go under 4.3 electronically how can you effectively contend it's "worthless" when someone hand-times under 4.3?

And, more specifically to the spirit of this thread, if Mr. Washington can run a (NOT hand-timed mind you) 4.25 what could the likes of Gatlin run? (I'm genuinely curious of your opinion on that one)

*If your only concern had been all the 4.0-4.2 times that seem to show up run by Scooter McLightning in Wombat TX as timed by the gym coach then hell yeah, I'm WITH you brother. "This has not been your sole contention however, as borne out by your posts.) By the time you get to NFL timing though, even by hand, I start paying attention. BIG money, I'm talking possibly MILLIONS, rides on those times and they don't exactly hand the limo driver a watch a tell him to "Go see how fast that feller from UT is".

It's all good man, Zeigler's just led his reader's astray with track vs football 40's that are simply two different animals. :thumbsup:
 
...accurate versus non-accurate.

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Fine, since you seem completely disinterested in even addressing any points I make at least appease my curiousity and tell me what YOU think of these two questions that were, as seems to have become the norm, mentioned in the last post to no avail.

If they are having guys go under 4.3 electronically how can you effectively contend it's "worthless" when someone hand-times under 4.3?

And, more specifically to the spirit of this thread, if Mr. Washington can run a (NOT hand-timed mind you) 4.25 what could the likes of Gatlin run? (I'm genuinely curious of your opinion on that one)
 
This is totally theoretical, but here you go:

He ran the 100m in 9.77s or it took 9.77s/100m, which is .0977 seconds per meter. There are 109.36 yds in 100 meters, therefore if you express his time in seconds per yard it is .08934 seconds per yard he ran. Multiplying this by 40 yards gives you 3.57 seconds for 40 yards.

It would be interesting to see what he would run under combine circumstances, but dang that's fast!!

running the 40 is a lot different than running the 100.

justin ran a 4.18 at the tryout for the texans.
 
he'll probably win this time since everyone knows it has been his asthma meds the multiple times he has turned up hot.

Dude's update makes it actually seem reasonable they could accept his appeal. Not saying they will, just that it gives him hope. I can't help but think he Bruce Pearled those other guys so that he could look good in front of the USOC and whomever else he has to appeal to.
 
Dude's update makes it actually seem reasonable they could accept his appeal. Not saying they will, just that it gives him hope. I can't help but think he Bruce Pearled those other guys so that he could look good in front of the USOC and whomever else he has to appeal to.
didn't read it, but if he did the tape recorder thing and helped bust others, then he's essentially a mob informant and likely just as guilty.

No thanks.
 
didn't read it, but if he did the tape recorder thing and helped bust others, then he's essentially a mob informant and likely just as guilty.

No thanks.

Tennessee is quickly building up the reputation as Snitch University. Fulmer (Bama), Pearl (Illinois), Summit (UCONN), and Gatlin... :no:
 
Tennessee is quickly building up the reputation as Snitch University. Fulmer (Bama), Pearl (Illinois), Summit (UCONN), and Gatlin... :no:

This is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've seen you post on here. Telling on someone who broke the law/rule is not a bad thing if it is proven to be true. Way too many bad people still walk around free because people don't want to be called snitches and you just encourage this behavior. Sad, truely sad.
 
It's also totally wrong. Despite the fact that your math may be correct, you can't extrapolate a time per meter run for 100 meters over a 40-yard dash and be anywhere close to accurate. Nobody, no matter how great they are out of the blocks, is as fast out of the blocks as they are when they reach their top-end speed. In a 100-meter race, the relatively slower running speed when the person starts out of the blocks is spread over an entire 100-meters, where in a 40-yard dash a smaller percentage of the race is spent at top-end speed.

Having been a former sprinter many moons ago in high school, a true sprinter, or any accomplished runner such as a top base runner, would reach top speed in 2-3 strides. So, although time spent at top speed is less in the 40 sue to length of run, someone of Justin's caliber would be at full sprint in a couple of yards.
 
Having been a former sprinter many moons ago in high school, a true sprinter, or any accomplished runner such as a top base runner, would reach top speed in 2-3 strides. So, although time spent at top speed is less in the 40 sue to length of run, someone of Justin's caliber would be at full sprint in a couple of yards.

Perhaps it seems that way but take a look at the split times for this 9.77 Asafa Powell ran.

Asafa Powell [JAM]
RT: 0.148 [0.15]
10m: 1.87 [1.72]
20m: 2.89 [1.02]
30m: 3.81 [0.92]
40m: 4.68 [0.87]
50m: 5.52 [0.84] Fastest 10m Split-time
60m: 6.36 [0.84] Fastest 10m Split-time
70m: 7.20 [0.84] Fastest 10m Split-time
80m: 8.05 [0.85]
90m: 8.91 [0.86]
100m: 9.77 [0.86]

It very much seems it took more than a couple strides to reach top speed.
 
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