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OCIVol said:
Paying a head coach an additional $3M to $4M a year pales in comparison to the money UT would benefit from making such a hire. We would make up the difference in a couple non-conference games via ticket sales and concessions. It's just simple math.
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This makes too much sense.
 
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HSVol said:
You know, hedging isn't a bad thing. I mean, who doesn't hedge in their life? You'd be crazy to treat most information as absolute.

Things change, and they can change quickly. What a lot of people don't understand is that most information, especially information dependent upon multiple major influences, is perishable and has an expiration date. When you're talking about situations that involve millionaires/billionaires, a state institution, and a football program with as much national attention as Tennessee, there are a lot of outside influences. If you DON'T hedge your position or consider that other alternatives existence, you're going to look like a complete fool.

Larry never looks like a complete fool. A lot of other posters on here do.

So, the moral of the story is this: Hedging is, generally speaking, a good thing. Not just on a message board, but in life. More people need to understand this.

Sorry for the lecture, but I just find it fascinating that a guy that rarely turns out to be wrong, is criticized for acting like his information isn't absolute.
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I never said it was bad. In fact, I do it a lot as I am an attorney. I am always thinking about the ramifications of certain decisions. That said, you answered yourself on why you can't treat any info as fact. Larry is a great poster, but by trying to not be totally wrong, you have to be cautious with the info. Just like you do with others. I just think that multiple people are on the Gruden side. I have always said that I would only believe it when he is standing at the podium. But there is a whole lot of smoke and it isn't just from one or two people. I don't know who is right but we will know soon.
 
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Something people need to realize is that "calling" stuff or being 100% correct all the time about things is unrealistic and impossible no matter connections.

Dave Hart could go around telling anyone that will listen Dooley is on the next train out Sunday after Kentucky. If he wakes up that morning and has a change of heart...No one can predict that.

Even conflicting info can be good info. It depends what side of this whole mess people are getting it from: ad, boosters, maybe people in the biz or close to other coaches may all have different perspectives. It indicates things havent been ironed out completely or that one side is having information withheld.

If there is some need of secrecy (come on gruden...) its not really surprising people in the ad wouldent be privy to whats up just like in other situations they would be the first to know (silent commits for instance).

All I know is that if I wanted Alabama coaches Id start screwing my sister and go cheer for Alabama.
 
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Specs said:
Something people need to realize is that "calling" stuff or being 100% correct all the time about things is unrealistic and impossible no matter connections.

Dave Hart could go around telling anyone that will listen Dooley is on the next train out Sunday after Kentucky. If he wakes up that morning and has a change of heart...No one can predict that.

Even conflicting info can be good info. It depends what side of this whole mess people are getting it from: ad, boosters, maybe people in the biz or close to other coaches may all have different perspectives. It indicates things havent been ironed out completely or that one side is having information withheld.

If there is some need of secrecy (come on gruden...) its not really surprising people in the ad wouldent be privy to whats up just like in other situations they would be the first to know (silent commits for instance).

All I know is that if I wanted Alabama coaches Id start screwing my sister and go cheer for Alabama.
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Good post became awkward post at the end :unsure:
 
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Hopefully we will not get any new commits until we settle the question of who will be the HC at Tennessee next year. I say hopefully because the only commits we are likely to get before then are 2* or 3* types that we all hope we don't get. We have enough of those already.

IMO, we will not get a "headliner" type HC willing to come here. Not Gruden, nor Stoops, nor any other big name. Until we solve the Athletics/Academic fiasco, no big name coach will come here, especially with the irrationally impatient fan base we have.

I don't even think a good, solid up-n-comer would take the job right now -- it would be a career killer much like Vanderbilt used to be and for largely the same reason -- athletics are secondary to and under the control of the academic side of the school.

I look for Hart to cast some bait out there for a while but at some point, he will likely come to the same conclusions. Then he will be faced with 2 options: 1) take a chance by bringing in a second tier coach or a coordinator at a good program, knowing that if the gamble fails, the Tennessee football program will take years to recover and his own career will suffer as well or 2) ride with Dooley and find an established DC with strong credentials and make him an offer he cannot refuse.

The second choice (Dooley) is far cheaper and can be easily reversed after one year, fully paid for by the decrease in Dooley's buyout. The only caveat is that if he goes in that direction he will have to go all out to support Dooley enough to convince recruits that Dooley will be here for them.

In the meantime, Hart can expend all his energy on trying to get Haslam to fix the athletic/academic side of the equation. If he is successful in that accomplishment, he will be in a position to hire a big name coach should Dooley fall on his face.

All IMO, of course.

mlsoft
 
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tmac5469 said:
OCI, Will our new coach turn some of our commits away or keep the majority of them?
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I think that depends on the timing of the hire. The closer to signing day, the more you keep.

I'll tell you this, though. A lot of the guys we have committed won't ever play a down for UT.
 
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Yeah i just don't know how the new coach will handle the low rated commits such as the guys from Knoxville. That will be a tough situation.
 
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OCIVol said:
I'm with you on wanting Gruden to happen. Paying a head coach an additional $3M to $4M a year pales in comparison to the money UT would benefit from making such a hire. We would make up the difference in a couple non-conference games via ticket sales and concessions. It's just simple math.
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The problem is that UT will make the money. Not the men throwing down the "investment". For the big three it is not a financial investment. It is paying a large amount of money to enjoy their fall again. Heck if I had a billion I would probably try to by happieness. Who would not?
 
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I think we all need to start turning our attention to timing first, then determine who is our next coach, which is why I was wanting to see a top 10 list of realistic available coaches. We have thrown so many names out there for our next coach but timing is the first big issue. I think we all remember what nearly happened to Auburn in 03'. The process has to be timed and handled correctly because a lot is at stake.

The next 4 years for recruiting are vital to the program. We think about the tallent level of the defense but in 2 years we could be in the same situation on offense. So again - timing.

The only way that I can see this playing out for the best of the program and for recruiting is to make the announcement as soon as possible. Some may disagree because we have 2 games left and possible bowl eligibility, but I think that mentality could be short sighted.

Some may disagree and say that unless we already have a "home run" hire, that we need to keep Dooley; however, I would again point out what almost happened to Auburn in 03' We cant begin that search with Dooley as our coach. Also, do we really think that we cannot find a better coach? Honestly, from reading all the post you would think Dooley was the worse coach ever (although I dont think he is the worse, just inexperienced).

I think we can find a coach today and the process needs to begin quickly. Let Channey coach the remaining 2. Take our lumps and move on.
 
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vol2013 said:
You mean to tell me that if you moved a big east team into the SEC, Pac12, or Big 12 that they would lose a lot of games? Well no sh!t sherlock, the top players are not going to want to play in the big east no matter who the coach is, as long as you are recruiting at the top of your conference you can't expect much more. For example Cincinnati during the Brian Kelly years would have lost a ton of games in the SEC, as evident by the trouncing they received from Florida. I never tried to argue that he has not beaten a team of any consequence, but it is also not an arguable point that he has not had the opportunity to get a win of any consequence. His only opportunity against a team from the top 25 was West Virginia and he won. I also never said that he didn't have any control over scheduling. Could he have scheduled tougher opponents? Yes, but that is a completely irrelevant point.
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got it - coach has nothing to do with scheduling - this was news to me but i do appreciate the info
 
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SCvol333 said:
got it - coach has nothing to do with scheduling - this was news to me but i do appreciate the info
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Reading isn't your strong suit is it? I specifically said that the coach does play a role in scheduling, but it is a completely irrelevant point in this discussiom
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Smokey1210 said:
The problem is that UT will make the money. Not the men throwing down the "investment". For the big three it is not a financial investment. It is paying a large amount of money to enjoy their fall again. Heck if I had a billion I would probably try to by happieness. Who would not?
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You don't think Haslam would make his money back by having Jon Gruden in a couple Pilot commercials?
 
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vol2013 said:
Reading isn't your strong suit is it? I specifically said that the coach does play a role in scheduling, but it is a completely irrelevant point in this discussiom
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If he hasnt played and beaten anyone then he hasnt rebuilt the program...period

he currently has the 73rd class in the country so certainly not sold that he is an elite recruiter - averaging in the mid30's before this year is not elite

I am just not sure why I am supposed to be excited about this guy - he has proven absolutely nothing at Lville and his recruiting is mediocre
 
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SCvol333 said:
If he hasnt played and beaten anyone then he hasnt rebuilt the program...period

he currently has the 73rd class in the country so certainly not sold that he is an elite recruiter - averaging in the mid30's before this year is not elite

I am just not sure why I am supposed to be excited about this guy - he has proven absolutely nothing at Lville and his recruiting is mediocre
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He is recruiting against Ohio st, Michigan and the whole SEC. How many elite recruits do you really think anyone could pull to Lville??

He is the best recruiter of south FL in the country maybe, and it showed when he was at FL.

If anything point to his coaching ability he has mediocre players and has them what 8-1?

His defenses were great at UF and he recruited most of the defensive players there.

Strong would be a great hire and they are many others who would agree with this
 
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HankHill said:
He is recruiting against Ohio st, Michigan and the whole SEC. How many elite recruits do you really think anyone could pull to Lville??

He is the best recruiter of south FL in the country maybe, and it showed when he was at FL.

If anything point to his coaching ability he has mediocre players and has them what 8-1?

His defenses were great at UF and he recruited most of the defensive players there.

Strong would be a great hire and they are many others who would agree with this
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and florida's recruiting and defense has really fallen off a cliff since he left

sure we should give all that credit to Strong?
 
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