Recruiting Forum: Football Talk II

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UT_Tix79 said:
None of those coaches should matter, you said Jon Gruden was 100% a done deal... Why even ask about other coaches?
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Because there will be no Gruden news for a while...need something to discuss because discussing recruiting is as much a waste of time until the hire is announced.
 
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OCIVol said:
He's quickly moving up my list. What are your thoughts on Taggart? I love the Harbaugh coaching tree, and Taggart played and coached under Harbaugh Sr. for a long time. Also coached under Jim for a few years at Stanford.
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Obviously not an expert but after my top choices... Gruden, Strong, and Patterson... Taggart would be my top under the radar choice. I think whoever gets him is getting a steal.
 
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SCvol333 said:
you said he was a better recruiter and has rebuilt the program - i am disagreeing that it is clear he has done either of these things

if that team were in the SEC or pac 12 or big 12 they are at least a 5 loss team so i think he has benefitted from a big east that is down even on big east terms and is a joke of a bcs conference and really hasnt done much of anything

imo he is a terrible game manager - the fact that he has never beaten a team of any consequence is not an arguable point

and to act like a HC has no control over scheduling an ooc opponent is ludicrous
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You mean to tell me that if you moved a big east team into the SEC, Pac12, or Big 12 that they would lose a lot of games? Well no sh!t sherlock, the top players are not going to want to play in the big east no matter who the coach is, as long as you are recruiting at the top of your conference you can't expect much more. For example Cincinnati during the Brian Kelly years would have lost a ton of games in the SEC, as evident by the trouncing they received from Florida. I never tried to argue that he has not beaten a team of any consequence, but it is also not an arguable point that he has not had the opportunity to get a win of any consequence. His only opportunity against a team from the top 25 was West Virginia and he won. I also never said that he didn't have any control over scheduling. Could he have scheduled tougher opponents? Yes, but that is a completely irrelevant point.
 
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OCIVol said:
For those wanting a proven HC, how do you feel about Butch Davis, Tuberville, and Petrino?
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No to Petrino. Our new hire should be a defensive-minded head coach. We have the pieces to be a decent offense even if we lose our starting WRs and QB.

Davis and Tuberville fit the bill. Both are very capable of putting together solid NFL level defensive schemes and will know how to cover up some weak spots.

Both have been very successful in taking down or mid-league level programs and have turned them around. That is precisely what we need at Tennessee.

We should not be concerned with looking for the next coach who will stick around for 15-20 years. We need a coach who will elevate the program and take it to the next phase. If they turn the program into a championship caliber program quickly , that would be beyond what most expect so soon. However, if they turn the program around and build a contender, it would be fantastic.

It may take another coach or two to take us through all of the steps needed to get the UT football program back on top. If so, then so be it. However, let's hire a veteran coach who has done this before and has been successful doing it. Those guys are Butch Davis and Tommy Tuberville

My top candidates are in order:

1. Butch Davis
2. Tommy Tuberville
3 Jim Mora Jr.
4. Bill O'Brien
 
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I am speaking for myself, but I think the fanbase would be happy with any of the following: Charlie Strong and Butch Davis have few cons and both could do great things.
One man who isn't getting enough attention is John Chavis "the Chief". He is a Tennessee alum but he poses the same the potential risks as K.Smart.
Kirby Smart has potential risks with lack of HC experience, but he could be a homerun.
Bobby Petrino would be awesome after the bad PR hangover.
 
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Butch Davis has left both Miami and North Carolina in NCAA Hell. It doesn't matter what you win, if you get put on probation for a long time afterwards. If you are looking for a coach with a resume, look for one with a positive one. We already know Butch Davis will leave us in a mess. Why pay him to do so...
 
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dooley said he spoke with ut athletic director dave hart sometime after saturday’s 51-48, four-overtime loss to missouri, but that he didn’t ask his boss whether he’d be back next season.

“no. I didn’t ask him that, but i did ask him a lot of things,” dooley said. “i mean, we talked very frankly about it. And he told me he had not made a decision if we go 6-6, despite what all the reports are. Either, you know, the sources are wrong or dave wasn’t being forthright with me, and i have no reason to think dave’s not being forthright.
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A decision has not been made, sure. But, I didn't expect one to be made right after the game. We have to find a replacement first.
 
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Thump said:
Butch Davis has left both Miami and North Carolina in NCAA Hell. It doesn't matter what you win, if you get put on probation for a long time afterwards. If you are looking for a coach with a resume, look for one with a positive one. We already know Butch Davis will leave us in a mess. Why pay him to do so...
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You are confusing coaches here.

Butch Davis had nothing to do at all with Miami's problems. He came in after the original problems and turned the program around before heading off to the NFL.

All of the current Miami issues happened under Randy Shannon and if you remember Larry Coker was at Miami before Shannon was there.

The NCAA absolved Davis of all or any blame in the UNC matter.
 
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Thump said:
Butch Davis has left both Miami and North Carolina in NCAA Hell. It doesn't matter what you win, if you get put on probation for a long time afterwards. If you are looking for a coach with a resume, look for one with a positive one. We already know Butch Davis will leave us in a mess. Why pay him to do so...
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Perception or reality? Everyone has been expecting a hammer to drop for quite some time yet...
 
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LynxVol said:
A decision has not been made, sure. But, I didn't expect one to be made right after the game. We have to find a replacement first.
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The only thing worse than maintaining status quo would be the firing, a recruiting disaster, and then a poor coaching hire. Dave Hart is showing balls and leadership in his handling of the situation.

I think Dave Hart is a serious upgrade from Mike Hamilton era. He is enforcing that this is his athletic department and he will make decisions on his own terms when he is ready.
 
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OCIVol said:
For those wanting a proven HC, how do you feel about Butch Davis, Tuberville, and Petrino?
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I'm a fan of Davis in that list. I thought he did great things at Miami, and Coker won the championship the year after he left.

I don't see Tubbervile as a guy to get us over the 10 win hump, and I doubt Petrino could recruit at the needed level here, especially with his reputation now.
 
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LynxVol said:
A decision has not been made, sure. But, I didn't expect one to be made right after the game. We have to find a replacement first.
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Dooley is done. I dont see how Hart can turn back now if he wanted, unless boosters start getting cold feet and decide not to help with the buyouts and future new hires. Haslam has already stated he will not foot the bill on his own.
 
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Tux said:
You are confusing coaches here.

Butch Davis had nothing to do at all with Miami's problems. He came in after the original problems and turned the program around before heading off to the NFL.

All of the current Miami issues happened under Randy Shannon and if you remember Larry Coker was at Miami before Shannon was there.

The NCAA absolved Davis of all or any blame in the UNC matter.
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Davis took over Dennis Erickson who won 10 games the year before Davis and a national championship. He never turned Miami around. They were a powerhouse when he got there.

Butch Davis didnt do well at North Carolina either. He is an elite recruiter but never took advantage of it in the ACC.
 
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Tux said:
You are confusing coaches here.

Butch Davis had nothing to do at all with Miami's problems. He came in after the original problems and turned the program around before heading off to the NFL.

All of the current Miami issues happened under Randy Shannon and if you remember Larry Coker was at Miami before Shannon was there.

The NCAA absolved Davis of all or any blame in the UNC matter.
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Well if this is true, then I am ok with the Davis hire. I for some reason thought he was there right before Shannon... My Mistake... :hi:
 
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Davis would be fine so long as he didn't put us in sanctions. Mora would make me happy. David Shaw would be awesome. As long as the coach can bring in the recruits it takes to win in the SEC and actually make them play well, I can roll with that.
 
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Jmho Smart wouldn't be a good first choice. Yes, he coaches under Saban and is the highest paid guy on the staff but he's not even the Assoc HC...so imo he's not ready for UT as his first SEC gig....maybe Arky, Aub or KY.

IMO "Homerun" Group...NFl guys like Gruden and Jack Del Rio but Hue Jackson(USC, Cal State and ASU) is a guy that could excel at UT

"Safe" group- college HC like Patterson,Larry Fedora,Mike Gundy or Butch Jones not big names but successful at each stop.

"Risk-reward" Bobby P, Butch Davis, Strong.

"Maybe not ready" Mark Stoops and Kirby Smart

My top 5 in order:
Gruden
Hue Jackson
Butch Davis
Strong
Patterson
 
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Sorry if someone already brought this up, but for those wanting Gary Patterson are you not worried he could want the Kansas State job?

Patterson is from Kansas, played at Kansas State. Bill Snyder may have only 2-3 years left, & if they win the National Championship this year I could see him retiring. I could easily see Patterson take that job if it becomes open & Kansas State would be stupid to not interview him if it did. That would be the right fit for him & that program.
 
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