Is it EVER ok to..........

#79
#79
TNGlen said:
So, for the sake of argument, why don't you rank your scholie players top to bottom. Chop off the top 25 or so with the exception of a couple. Come back and toot your horn 3 years from now. You do that and CDD will wipe your lizard ass up and down the field.
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i don't know man. if given another 3 years, i think it's an even money bet that dooley can instruct the team on how many men are supposed to be on the field and where they are supposed to line up.

after consulting a farmer's almanac, you can't water bamboo that quickly.

it's science
 
#81
#81
Fade, I can see where you are coming from but I can't find it in me to cheer for the opposition.
 
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Volman93 said:
No. Until Coach Dooley actually underperforms I refuse to admit he isn't the man for the job. Losing to top 15 teams close does not count as underperforming. People need to quit acting like he is the reason Tennessee's standards have fallen. 3-4 years ago no way this team beats NC State or is even competitive with any team Tennessee has played to date.
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1) Losing to UK counts as underperforming.

2) It's already been said but 3 years ago we beat UGA and SC and both were better than NCSU. Heck last year's Cincinnati team we beat was probably better than NCSU is this year. If you haven't noticed, NSCU is pretty average, even after beating FSU.
 
#83
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99gator said:
i don't know man. if given another 3 years, i think it's an even money bet that dooley can instruct the team on how many men are supposed to be on the field and where they are supposed to line up.

after consulting a farmer's almanac, you can't water bamboo that quickly.

it's science
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(Dooley bRitch slap)
 
#84
#84
Phat-Phil said:
I've been on the fence about Dooley but have finally accepted the fact that we have to go through yet another coaching change if we want to win championships. That being said I could never hope the Vols lose.
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Im still not convinced Dooley cant win here if he is given a few more years under a contract. (without all this talk of being fired which kills recruiting).

However, he has had several chances to make his case and has failed to do so. I understand thats why people want a change and I dont have a problem with that.

There are two options for future improvement at this point imo..

1. Extend his contract so that recruits have no doubt about his job security.

2. Fire his butt and hire a proven coach.

No way in hell he has earned option #1 so #2 is all thats left.

I hate it, but he's had his chances and hes failed each time the opportunity to win a game has presented itself.
 
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#85
#85
I've had this same debate and have asked if there is one loss I could live with what would it be? Would 1 more loss even seal the deal for Dooley's release, after all he would still finish 6-6 and a possible 7th win with a bowl game. Here are some possibilities and some cop-out the hard core Dooley fans would use to justify keeping him around.

Loss to Troy- it was a trap game coming off a close one with USC and looking ahead to Mizzou.

Loss to Mizzou- again trap game coming off a big win against Troy an looking ahead to Vandy

Loss to Vandy- they are a legit team this year with a possible 8 win season... Sal's fault... Brady's fault... If UT had another coach he still woul of lost to this Vandy team... Any of the routine excuses they've used for the first 5 losses because they are a team with a winning record and that's reason enough.

Loss to UK- who care we made a bowl game! Dooley was resting the players/the players didn't care.

A bowl game loss- Dooley showed improvement we made a bowl game! Who on their right mind would come to UT after firing a coach that made it bowling?

For me the best case scenario ia that it has been laid out to Dooley that a bowl WIN is a must to keep his job. I would feel terrible if we were to lose any one of these last 4 but it would feel as bad or worse to know that Dooley is coming back next year and I have to settle for another awful season.
 
#86
#86
People, he's not coming back next year. Save yourselves the trouble of doing all the analysis and just accept it. He cannot, and will not save his job.
 
#87
#87
Nope. I always wanna win. Makes my week go by so much better. I haven't had a good week since Akron and I was still pissed lol
 
#88
#88
keckjm said:
Um in 2009 we beat SC that was ranked 21 in country... Not that it counts or anything... Also happened to beat GA and lost to Bama on a blocked kick at the end of the game... Bama didn't beat us by 20+ or anything this year tho... Def see where Dooley needs atleast two maybe three more years...
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Oh I didn't know that. Well let's just call up the coach from that year and get him back. Problem solved.
 
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#92
#92
NO.. Terrible OP, terrible.

If you root for the Vols to lose then you need to re-evaluate why you call yourself a vol.
 
#93
#93
SouthKnoxVOL said:
I always think it's funny when people have to mention they are an alum of the university. Like it means their opinion is more important than someone that didn't go to UT. News flash....I don't care that you're an alum.
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It matters cause alums look at things differently than non alums. Alums do tend to care about the integrity of the team which Dooley has done a good job of. Non alums tend not to care so much about that. But only wins. We get embarrassed when negativity news comes out about our school. Losing games in during a tough rebuild everyone knew was going to be the case isn't as embarrassing. I use to hate checking uT news every morning yrs ago cause of it. Now I'm doing the same cause of so many people are hurting the team by posting a lot of crap. Mainly allowing the Gruden PR machine to use us to help gin up interest in him. Not saying he wouldn't come here but lets be honest and call it what it is.

A buddy of mine double Econ/finance major so not a dumb guy was about to jump off the ledge after MSU game. I talked him down. Once calm he is still for giving cdd more time. Even after the USC game. Now if we lose any more than its tough to say its not justified even if you believe he needs time. My buddies drunk redneck game out after MSU game he admitted, but once he calmed down he remembered the difficulties that is rebuilding a program/business.

Saying that we fans/alums aren't looking at it logically is ridiculous and insulting. Honestly the few that are left are probably the most reasonable. Some like me sit here and feel his pain seeing rebuilding struggles he is going through during tough times.

That's my professional opinion not just my opinion as an alum and fan. I can care less if any of y'all agree or not cause none of y'all have done a good enough job to convince me otherwise.

Let's go Dooley's UT Vols!!!
 
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JimVol said:
NO.. Terrible OP, terrible.

If you root for the Vols to lose then you need to re-evaluate why you call yourself a vol.
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Fans of pro sports teams openly root for their teams to lose all the time, once they've been eliminated and are jockeying for draft position. Nobody questions their True Fanhood.

Rooting for UT to lose to Troy would be effectively the same thing -- rooting for a short-term loss in the hope that it brings about a long-term gain. I can't do it myself, but I understand the sentiment.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Fans of pro sports teams openly root for their teams to lose all the time, once they've been eliminated and are jockeying for draft position. Nobody questions their True Fanhood.

Rooting for UT to lose to Troy would be effectively the same thing -- rooting for a short-term loss in the hope that it brings about a long-term gain. I can't do it myself, but I understand the sentiment.
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I have a lot to learn in pro circles then. I have never rooted for my GBP to lose. Do you mean that the loser teams get higher draft picks? Not trolling.. I seriously don't know.

Thanks!
 
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Oskie Volum said:
It matters cause alums look at things differently than non alums. Alums do tend to care about the integrity of the team which Dooley has done a good job of. Non alums tend not to care so much about that. But only wins. We get embarrassed when negativity news comes out about our school. Losing games in during a tough rebuild everyone knew was going to be the case isn't as embarrassing. I use to hate checking uT news every morning yrs ago cause of it. Now I'm doing the same cause of so many people are hurting the team by posting a lot of crap. Mainly allowing the Gruden PR machine to use us to help gin up interest in him. Not saying he wouldn't come here but lets be honest and call it what it is.

A buddy of mine double Econ/finance major so not a dumb guy was about to jump off the ledge after MSU game. I talked him down. Once calm he is still for giving cdd more time. Even after the USC game. Now if we lose any more than its tough to say its not justified even if you believe he needs time. My buddies drunk redneck game out after MSU game he admitted, but once he calmed down he remembered the difficulties that is rebuilding a program/business.

Saying that we fans/alums aren't looking at it logically is ridiculous and insulting. Honestly the few that are left are probably the most reasonable. Some like me sit here and feel his pain seeing rebuilding struggles he is going through during tough times.

That's my professional opinion not just my opinion as an alum and fan. I can care less if any of y'all agree or not cause none of y'all have done a good enough job to convince me otherwise.

Let's go Dooley's UT Vols!!!
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In general I agree with this. For example, the Bruce Pearl arguments a couple of years ago were mostly split right down the middle -- alums wanted Pearl gone over the ethics violations; non-alums wanted to figure a way to keep him around. I would rather lose games than do things the wrong way.

Having said that, I have two degrees from UTK and I'd like to see Dooley fired tomorrow morning.
 
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#97
#97
If I knew FOR SURE Dooley's job depended on the Troy game alone, then I would have to say, for long term betterment of the program, yes. If i knew for sure that he's done no matter if he wins the rest by 160-0, then no.
 
#98
#98
JimVol said:
I have a lot to learn in pro circles then. I have never rooted for my GBP to lose. Do you mean that the loser teams get higher draft picks? Not trolling.. I seriously don't know.

Thanks!
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The team with the worst record in the league gets the top draft pick. The team with the second worst record gets the next pick. Etc. So once your team gets to about 9 or 10 losses, you might as well root to lose as many more as possible because it actually helps the team's future. I've seen it over and over with friends whose main rooting interest is an NFL team.
 
#99
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Vercingetorix said:
In general I agree with this. For example, the Bruce Pearl arguments a couple of years ago were mostly split right down the middle -- alums wanted Pearl gone over the ethics violations; non-alums wanted to figure a way to keep him around. I would rather lose games than do things the wrong way.

Having said that, I have two degrees from UTK and I'd like to see Dooley fired tomorrow morning.
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Both of us can agree to disagree with respect. Many on here are not capable of doing so. Just like I don't know if giving cdd time is truly the answer just as much as no one can say firing him will be the answer. We can keep him and in 2 yrs he is a winner or failure. We can get someone new and in 2 yrs he can be a winner or a loser. No one on here knows.

Me personally I'm willing to hold it out cause of stability reasons and do believe cdd can potentially do it once the time of rebuild is needed and over.

Now if he is fired Hart is telling me that the program is rid of all negatives of pre-Dooley and hart eras. Which to me means that the next coach has nothing to worry about but coaching. Which cdd has not had the luxury of. I've said it before and I will keep to it...if cdd is fired this yr I want 9+ wins min next yr and in yr 2 the SECC and an appearance in the NC playoff game. I will not give any leeway to the next coach or Hart.

Btw - I didn't mention my buddies degrees to prove anything other than that he isn't stupid. Not cause he has 2 degrees he deserves more credit or anything. I've read to many posters on here bash pro-Dooley guys as stupid and many other things. Wanted to make sure those types couldnt say cause he's stupid or something childish like that. If it weren't for that I would have just mentioned that he was an alum. Just like I keep my personal info to myself.
 
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#100
#100
OP, as opposed to most of the lunatics in this thread who are content with sub-mediocrity, I'll take a little different tact. At this point the UT football program under Dooley is kind of like an old dog that is sick and suffering and you have to make up your mind what to do about it. Just because you make the decision to put the dog down and essentially put him out of his misery doesn't mean you love him any less. You just want what's best for him.

I've never been as conflicted about any game in my life as I was at the end of the SC game this past weekend. While I was disappointed things didn't go our way in the final minute, I honestly just had an overwhelming sense of relief that we didn't actually win and prolong our misery with Dooley. Now that Hart has apparently decided to keep him, (at least till the end of the year) it seems like a catastrophic loss is the only way to rid ourselves of Dooley. He seems like a decent guy and all, but he's a terrible football coach and at this point I'm all for whatever it takes to move on and try and get a decent coach.
 
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