Official Jon Gruden Thread III

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BruinVol said:
A coach that has a contract to keep his job after the current season is no different than one that the contract is only for a year!!!

That's your stance???
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You're putting too much thought into this. Bottom line, a contract is a contract. So again, if the current coach is notified of his fate there is nothing wrong with seeking a new one or having them sign some sort of agreement.
 
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Wilson27 said:
Never forget how dismissive Bryant Gumbel arrogant ass was when Kiffin left us. He is a USC grad and just acted like why would anyone stay at UT when they could coach the great USC.
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It's easy for people who have never been in this state, that city, or that stadium to say that. Once they have done those things you realize how special this place truly is.

And this is one thing I will carry with me down to Columbia tomorrow. Yeah-I'm going to catch hell for wearing orange, but you know what (South Carolina fan)...you root for South Carolina! gfy
 
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kohlrums said:
It's easy for people who have never been in this state, that city, or that stadium to say that. Once they have done those things you realize how special this place truly is.

And this is one thing I will carry with me down to Columbia tomorrow. Yeah-I'm going to catch hell for wearing orange, but you know what (South Carolina fan)...you root for South Carolina! gfy
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Wear it with pride!
 
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driley3 said:
Regardless of if he's flying commercial or private, where do you think he would land?
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well it's not like he has to go to baggage claim. If he flew into Knoxville you aren't seeing him. This thing is a little too secret to risk having one of the most recognizable football figures strolling thru TYS
 
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orangeslice13 said:
Monday is huge one way or the other.
It's this Monday or not till the end of the season if at all.
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You might be right.
But, this information could be presuming victories in the final four games, just as at least some of the predictions of a post-SCar CDD announcement likely presume defeat tomorrow. If we lose to Troy, for example, that could be the final straw. If we get to 6-4 and then lose in Nashville, they may not announce a firing that week, simply because there's only one game left at that point.

I think it's possible an announcement is made after the next UT loss, whenever it is, and CDD possibly stays if we reach 8-4.

If it's true that CDD is being fired no matter what, I expect an announcement next week if we lose tomorrow. I don't believe that we could lose tomorrow, and then keep CDD until the buyout is negotiated or Gruden is secured or whatever, and then fire him, say, the Monday after beating Missouri or Troy.
 
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BruinVol said:
Sorry but you lose all credibility when you say recruiting involves 50 players. That tells me you have no idea of the process that recruiting is for college coaches.
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I understand the process. I've read numerous books & articles about it. There are hundreds of high school athletes but coaches focus on the ones they have a legitimate shot at. How many players at each position do they really go after?

A college coach may spend all year recruiting but he is able to take his time to evaluate his team and recruits. That is not possible in the NFL. Their cycle is compressed which cause longer workdays and more demands on time.

Plus you are generally focused primarily on a certain geographic region and your coaches have seen a player develop over 3-4 years thus making the evaluation easier. If you're a good recruiter you can generally get the players you want. Then once you have a player, he's generally guaranteed to be there for 3-4 years.

Compared to the pros, they to evaluate hundreds of players. Unlike college, they haven't seen these players on a regular basis for 2-3 years. They get about 60-90 days to evaluate. They spend hours reviewing game film and researching. Then even if they want a player there is less of a guarantee that they can get him. So they must have multiple contingency plans. If you get the player you want, it may only be for a 1-2 years and so you are constantly working to maintain a team.

Pete Carroll had great QBs & offenses at USC cause he could take his time, evaluate them & recruit them to a place they wanted to go. He's burning through qbs in Seattle and have a tough time with his offense cause it's harder when you only have 60-90 days to evaluate, draft players, convince them financially to play for your team & maintain a salary cap. None of those issues at USC (especially with the boosters they have).

That's why some one like Fulmer or Mack Brown can build a program then slack on recruiting and the results on the field won't be noticeable for 3-5 years. In the NFL with free agency, if you miss on 1-2 drafts, the results are immediate.

You really think calling, visiting or hosting a recruit or doing a banquet with boosters is more stressful and demanding than combines, otas, mini-camps, free agency?

You do realize that the 10th highest paid coach in the NFL makes more money than the highest paid college coach? And 8 of the top 10 coaches in any sport are in the NFL? According to your logic, college coaches are getting shafted. Nick Saban should be able to demand 8-10 million/year from Alabama. Belichick makes 7 mil and has the same number of titles but obviously Saban works harder. Heck every vol fan's favorite Lovie Smith makes 6 million/year and he's yet to win a conference championship.
 
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VolMaster14 said:
People thinking he would be using us as a stepping stone back to the NFL is just dumb. He doesn't need that period. He could get any job he wanted in the NFL right now. If its true, I love the fact he wants a long term with us.
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If he could get any job he wanted in the NFL I have a feeling he'd already be coaching in the NFL. I don't believe this.
 
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Okay, here's my opinion on why Gruden would be a good hire for UT. (Not that anyone cares, let's face it, we just all like to hear our own voice).

1) He does seem to have a love for the University. That's more than Dooley or Kiffin had, and certainly something that one can appreciate. Not that that makes him anything better than you or I, but it's better that then a guy who has no understanding of our tradition.

2) NFL experience does speak a lot. Even having a NFL coordinator as HC or a coordinator can sway a lot of recruits. Not to mention, you have seen what top talent is, and you have been paid to coach the pros. People are interested in learning from the ones who taught the best. When we had Charlie Baggett, imagine being a WR and hearing "Alright, now when Randy Moss struggled with this, here's how I helped him." It definitely has an undeniable appeal to it.

3) Gruden won a Super Bowl. As a head coach. Only 26 men can say that. He is one of them. He is among the ranks therefore, with John Madden, Mike Ditka, Tony Dungy, Dick Vermeil, Bill Cowher, Brian Billick, etc. You can say he won with Dungy's players, but Dungy didn't recruit those players. And to use that argument is moot, because he won the Super Bowl against the Raiders, who he had just coached. So if he won with Dungy's players, then he beat Gruden's players.

4) He is .540 in the NFL, including the playoffs. However, you must also realize, that's the NFL. If someone went .500 in college, that's pretty bad. Why? Because at least 3-4 games a year are cupcake games (Akron, Ga. State, etc.). Games you are supposed to win. If you're anybody, you're going to win at least 3 games a year against cupcakes. But in the NFL, there is really not a cupcake team. Maybe a team will struggle one year (Colts last year), but there's not a team that doesn't have players who are not good enough to get paid millions. There are no "gimme" games in the NFL. So, over his coaching career, given what he was dealt, .540 isn't that bad. Dooley is .449 in his coaching tenure here, and at least 9 of those wins came against Cupcakes (I counted Kentucky and Vandy as cupcakes), when you consider (Akron, GA. State, Vandy twice, KY once, Montana, Ut-Martin, MTSU, Memphis). I would expect much higher than .540 from Gruden with the schedules college plays.

5) He is the most recognizable available coach we could hire right now. He has a connection to the college game in Gruden's QB Camp. He has a large presence in Florida from his days at Tampa Bay, seeing as no other team from Florida has been to or won a Super Bowl since he did. He is recognizable from Monday Night Football as well, which you know tons of people see. People know that he knows what he is talking about. Instant recognition to recruits and parents. Thats HUGE.

6) NFL Connections. If he brought in some NFL coaches as coordinators and position coaches, then our influence goes way up. That was one thing that Kiffin was right on. The more NFL experience you can offer, the better.

7) The NFL, in order to be somewhat successful, you have to know how to gameplan and how to adapt. You have to know how to shut down Peyton Manning, or how to negate Troy Polamalu. You have to be able to exploit the Steeler's Defense, or stop the Patriots offense. And when someone stops you, you have to think how to utilitize your other pieces. It takes an incredible amount of knowledge of the game, and a brilliant mind. I think Gruden would bring that type of game plan and adjustments to the table to keep us in games.

8) Really, what are the major differences in college and pros? Yes, the talent is not as dense, as we recruit kids straight from high school, whereas they draft players after watching them play much tougher competition. Yes, there is recruiting. But I really don't think that Gruden would have a problem with that because of the aforementioned reasons. The schedule is not as difficult or as long as an NFL schedule. It would be possibly harder to implement schemes and styles with college kids, since they aren't practicing 10 hours a day. But I don't see the huge differences. I think if a coach can win on the NFL level, it would be easier to win on a college level, than vice versa. As long as they don't have the personality of a stick, they should be able to win some games.

All of course, just my opinion.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Havent there been examples in the past of coaches who have been told they are fired but are allowed to coach a bowl game while the new head coach has already been announced.
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Sure there has been and that could happen here and will imo.That hasnt happened anywhere that a coach hasnt been officially fired and that's the point.
 
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utvolpj said:
well it's not like he has to go to baggage claim. If he flew into Knoxville you aren't seeing him. This thing is a little too secret to risk having one of the most recognizable football figures strolling thru TYS
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He might want to use his Delta SkyMiles.
 
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tri_vol said:
I understand the process. I've read numerous books & articles about it. There are hundreds of high school athletes but coaches focus on the ones they have a legitimate shot at. How many players at each position do they really go after?

A college coach may spend all year recruiting but he is able to take his time to evaluate his team and recruits. That is not possible in the NFL. Their cycle is compressed which cause longer workdays and more demands on time.

Plus you are generally focused primarily on a certain geographic region and your coaches have seen a player develop over 3-4 years thus making the evaluation easier. If you're a good recruiter you can generally get the players you want. Then once you have a player, he's generally guaranteed to be there for 3-4 years.

Compared to the pros, they to evaluate hundreds of players. Unlike college, they haven't seen these players on a regular basis for 2-3 years. They get about 60-90 days to evaluate. They spend hours reviewing game film and researching. Then even if they want a player there is less of a guarantee that they can get him. So they must have multiple contingency plans. If you get the player you want, it may only be for a 1-2 years and so you are constantly working to maintain a team.

Pete Carroll had great QBs & offenses at USC cause he could take his time, evaluate them & recruit them to a place they wanted to go. He's burning through qbs in Seattle and have a tough time with his offense cause it's harder when you only have 60-90 days to evaluate, draft players, convince them financially to play for your team & maintain a salary cap. None of those issues at USC (especially with the boosters they have).

That's why some one like Fulmer or Mack Brown can build a program then slack on recruiting and the results on the field won't be noticeable for 3-5 years. In the NFL with free agency, if you miss on 1-2 drafts, the results are immediate.

You really think calling, visiting or hosting a recruit or doing a banquet with boosters is more stressful and demanding than combines, otas, mini-camps, free agency?

You do realize that the 10th highest paid coach in the NFL makes more money than the highest paid college coach? And 8 of the top 10 coaches in any sport are in the NFL? According to your logic, college coaches are getting shafted. Nick Saban should be able to demand 8-10 million/year from Alabama. Belichick makes 7 mil and has the same number of titles but obviously Saban works harder. Heck every vol fan's favorite Lovie Smith makes 6 million/year and he's yet to win a conference championship.
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tri, as fast as this thread moves, nobody has time to read your posts :)

You have to keep them short and sweet, or people just skip over them, like me.

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petebee50 said:
Ok all you grudenites,you talk big but give no good reason why gruden would be a good hire for Tennessee. Yes he won a super bowl,with Dungys players. But failed miserably till he was fired after that. Hasn't been a head coach of any ncaa team. So he's untested at the college level. And please,it's great his wife is a VFL, but really that has NO bearing on his coaching ability.NO proof he can recruit or put together a winning staff. So please let us in on why he's such a great hire.
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Good grief not this again. You DONT win in the NFL with other players, its not like college. I doubt the roster was exactly identical and he won with those guys and Dungy could't. If you honestly need an explanation why we think Gruden could win at UT then..WOW..
 
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