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volmaverick said:
My God

Ready for FBI stats???

Per capita there are 7x more murders committed by blacks than whites.
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There are more white criminals than black criminals. By percentage of black population, there are more black criminals than white criminals by percentage of white population. Yet, there are sill more white criminals than black.
 
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Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.

When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.

Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.

The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.

Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.

Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.

There is no such thing as a low crime black suburb. Not anywhere in the world. Whites commit more crime
overall, but blacks commit a RIDICULOUS amount of crime for being such a small percentage of the population.

The only reason blacks are watched more closely is BECAUSE people are aware that they commit more crime. Nobody watches Asian minorities, or haven't you noticed?

Black Countries also have the highest violent crime rates in the world.

The Color of Crime
 
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Criminals come in all colors.

With that said there are a lot people swimming in the ocean and having a good time. Its the one that gets attacked by a shark and then the entire coast is on alert because of it. One shark.......one lonely ole hungry sharl can ruin everyones beach trip and strike fear into the masses.
 
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therealUT said:
It is absolutely true.

The false statement would be:

The percentage of the black population that are criminals is lower than the percentage of the white population that are criminals.
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When one makes such a statement, it is implied that we are talking percentages. Not raw numbers which are skewed by pure vast discrepancies in population size.
 
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volmaverick said:
My God

Ready for FBI stats???

Per capita there are 7x more murders committed by blacks than whites.
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:lol: There is no such thing as a "black suburb". The blacks who do make it go live with the whites. The neighborhoods are thus left with every ingredient needed to have a high "crime rate". The poor people were born there. The despair and lack of hope are inbred as well. The guns and drugs are imported. Now your "black suburb" is ready to populated court houses and prisons statewide. And we have new prison and courts popping up all the time. Sort of like a self-perpetuation system. Working well too. Booming actually.
 
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I should think it is funny that you think that this
volmaverick said:
Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder
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equates to this:

volmaverick said:
Per capita there are 7x more murders committed by blacks than whites.
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But, it is just sad.

Moreover, I find it humorous that you are resorting to incarceration statistics to show that black people are more likely to commit crimes. Thus, you are equating conviction with actual guilt. However, you hold that OJ was guilty, yet he was not convicted.

Black individuals in America are more likely to be convicted of crimes. I do not deny that. Black individuals in America are more likely to be criminals. I do not deny that. However, they are not as likely (compared to whites) as the conviction rates show.

The majority of black criminals are convicted by all-white juries. According to a recent study, an all-white jury is likely to convict in 81% of the cases involving a black defendant and only 66% of the cases involving a white defendant. For juries that include at least 1 black juror, conviction rates are 71% and 73%, respectively.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
When one makes such a statement, it is implied that we are talking percentages. Not raw numbers which are skewed by pure vast discrepancies in population size.
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I try not to imply anything about Volmaverick. I truly feel that most of the times he means exactly what he says, literally.
 
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PimpVol said:
:lol: There is no such thing as a "black suburb". The blacks who do make it go live with the whites. The neighborhoods are thus left with every ingredient needed to have a high "crime rate". The poor people were born there. The despair and lack of hope are inbred as well. The guns and drugs are imported. Now your "black suburb" is ready to populated court houses and prisons statewide. And we have new prison and courts popping up all the time. Sort of like a self-perpetuation system. Working well too. Booming actually.
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I don't feel sorry for them at all. They continually perpetuate the problem.

The mere fact that those blacks who value education, hard work, and civil law who move out to an area where there are like minded folks (regardless of race) are considered turncoats, uncle toms, "house" n's, uppity n'ts, etc. is all the proof you should ever need of the problem with those areas.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I don't feel sorry for them at all. They continually perpetuate the problem.

The mere fact that those blacks who value education, hard work, and civil law who move out to an area where there are like minded folks (regardless of race) are considered turncoats, uncle toms, "house" n's, uppity n'ts, etc. is all the proof you should ever need of the problem with those areas.
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The problem with those areas is historical repression, lack of education, and lack of opportunity. It is not with race.
 
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therealUT said:
The majority of black criminals are convicted by all-white juries. According to a recent study, an all-white jury is likely to convict in 81% of the cases involving a black defendant and only 66% of the cases involving a white defendant. For juries that include at least 1 black juror, conviction rates are 71% and 73%, respectively.
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If a black person is guilty I want them convicted. If a white person is guilty I want them convicted. If more guilty black people are being convicted that's not really a problem since ALL of them should be convicted.

If you want to argue more white people that SHOULD be convicted aren't then perhaps there's something to that and I don't like it. If you want to argue that more black people that SHOULDN'T be convicted are then perhaps there's something to that and I don't like it.

Conviction rates themselves don't really matter much to me. Conviction rates of guilty people matter very much to me. See where I'm going with this?
 
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therealUT said:
The problem with those areas is historical repression, lack of education, and lack of opportunity. It is not with race.
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I never said it was race.

Moreover, their problem is not the lack of education or the lack of opportunity. Their problem is a cultural problem. They do not value education, hard work, the value of a dollar, the future goals over short term pleasures, etc.
 
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hndog609 said:
If a black person is guilty I want them convicted. If a white person is guilty I want them convicted. If more guilty black people are being convicted that's not really a problem since ALL of them should be convicted.
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What? Do you honestly believe that anyone who is charged with a crime is guilty of said crime?

hndog609 said:
If you want to argue more white people that SHOULD be convicted aren't then perhaps there's something to that and I don't like it. If you want to argue that more black people that SHOULDN'T be convicted are then perhaps there's something to that and I don't like it.
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If you are not guilty, you ought not be convicted. If you are guilty, you ought to be convicted. Race should not play a part.

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Conviction rates themselves don't really matter much to me. Conviction rates of guilty people matter very much to me. See where I'm going with this?
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No, I do not see where you are going with this. Unless you think that it is just some kind of miraculous coincidence that in one pool of cases 81% of the blacks charged with crimes are actually guilty and 66% of the whites charged with crimes are actually guilty and in these cases it just so happened that there was an all-white jury; while, on the other hand, in another pool of cases 71% of the blacks charged with crimes are actually guilty and 73% of the whites charged with crimes are actually guilty and in these cases it just so happened that there was not an all-white jury. I think that is one hell of a coincidence. Certainly possible; I do not think it is plausible, though.
 
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therealUT said:
What? Do you honestly believe that anyone who is charged with a crime is guilty of said crime?

Please show me where I used the word "charged".


If you are not guilty, you ought not be convicted. If you are guilty, you ought to be convicted. Race should not play a part.

Totally agree.

No, I do not see where you are going with this. Unless you think that it is just some kind of miraculous coincidence that in one pool of cases 81% of the blacks charged with crimes are actually guilty and 66% of the whites charged with crimes are actually guilty and in these cases it just so happened that there was an all-white jury; while, on the other hand, in another pool of cases 71% of the blacks charged with crimes are actually guilty and 73% of the whites charged with crimes are actually guilty and in these cases it just so happened that there was not an all-white jury. I think that is one hell of a coincidence. Certainly possible; I do not think it is plausible, though.
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Apologies if I was still ambiguous at the end. Where I'm going is I often run into the white vs black conviction rate argument posited by people that are somehow trying to mitigate the actions of black criminals. If guilty they should be convicted. If guilty whites are "getting away" with more then that isn't a black conviction issue it's a white conviction issue.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I never said it was race.

Moreover, their problem is not the lack of education or the lack of opportunity. Their problem is a cultural problem. They do not value education, hard work, the value of a dollar, the future goals over short term pleasures, etc.
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One can ask plenty of questions as to why these things are not valued currently in a sizable portion of the black community. It is easy for white Americans to see the value in education, hard work, the future: education in white America is good and consistently pays off; hard work consistently pays off; and, the future is usually still there and still worth something for white Americans. Black Americans were steadily progressing in this country in the middle of the twentieth century. Education was valued in black communities; hard work paid off; and, the future was promising and worth something.

How do you think attitudes changed during white flight and red lining? The black individuals and families that were moving to white neighborhoods and suburbs were the black individuals that had either placed value in their education or worked hard, or both. They saw their future, their life savings (which was tied to the value of their new houses), and the promise of a world in which they could make it on merit absolutely shatter. They were left in neighborhoods in which the property value bottomed out; these neighborhoods then became overrun with the lower class and impoverished individuals and lifestyles that the successful individuals had worked hard to escape. Schools fell in to disrepair, due to a lack of enough revenues from property taxes to maintain them. At that point, I imagine that a lot of good individuals said "F*** this". A few years later, the Great Society Programs were paying individuals to be poor. Those who had good jobs and good educations were living in the same neighborhoods, their children were attending the same schools, as the individuals who had crappy jobs or no jobs. The individuals who had made nothing of themselves were getting paid by the government; and, their lives, their neighborhoods, and their schools were the exact same ones as those who had worked hard. The majority of individuals, whether black or white, at that point are going to say, "What is the point of working hard? How much is dignity really worth?"

Imagine telling your kid, "Work hard, make good grades, and you can be anything", and they respond by asking you if you did those things. You say you did and they look out and see disrepair and destitution right across the street. Even most kids are going to conclude that you are selling them a pack of lies.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I don't feel sorry for them at all. They continually perpetuate the problem.

The mere fact that those blacks who value education, hard work, and civil law who move out to an area where there are like minded folks (regardless of race) are considered turncoats, uncle toms, "house" n's, uppity n'ts, etc. is all the proof you should ever need of the problem with those areas.
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The presence of Tom's is proof of what? That it is better on the otherside? No kidding. -- As soon as blacks broke free from oppression in the sixties, phase II went directly into affect. It had just the effect that was desired too. By the end of the eighties, the damage was done. At this point, it can't be corrected without totally starting over. Since that is not possible, the only alternative is to convert. Some figure that out before others. The lucky few. The rest are stuck. They don't know what they are stuck in. They don't even know why they are stuck. But they are stuck. Sympathy would not help either. Good thing nobody has any.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I never said it was race.

Moreover, their problem is not the lack of education or the lack of opportunity. Their problem is a cultural problem. They do not value education, hard work, the value of a dollar, the future goals over short term pleasures, etc.
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If it ain't race, then who is "they"?
 
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therealUT said:
One can ask plenty of questions as to why these things are not valued currently in a sizable portion of the black community. It is easy for white Americans to see the value in education, hard work, the future: education in white America is good and consistently pays off; hard work consistently pays off; and, the future is usually still there and still worth something for white Americans. Black Americans were steadily progressing in this country in the middle of the twentieth century. Education was valued in black communities; hard work paid off; and, the future was promising and worth something.

How do you think attitudes changed during white flight and red lining? The black individuals and families that were moving to white neighborhoods and suburbs were the black individuals that had either placed value in their education or worked hard, or both. They saw their future, their life savings (which was tied to the value of their new houses), and the promise of a world in which they could make it on merit absolutely shatter. They were left in neighborhoods in which the property value bottomed out; these neighborhoods then became overrun with the lower class and impoverished individuals and lifestyles that the successful individuals had worked hard to escape. Schools fell in to disrepair, due to a lack of enough revenues from property taxes to maintain them. At that point, I imagine that a lot of good individuals said "F*** this". A few years later, the Great Society Programs were paying individuals to be poor. Those who had good jobs and good educations were living in the same neighborhoods, their children were attending the same schools, as the individuals who had crappy jobs or no jobs. The individuals who had made nothing of themselves were getting paid by the government; and, their lives, their neighborhoods, and their schools were the exact same ones as those who had worked hard. The majority of individuals, whether black or white, at that point are going to say, "What is the point of working hard? How much is dignity really worth?"

Imagine telling your kid, "Work hard, make good grades, and you can be anything", and they respond by asking you if you did those things. You say you did and they look out and see disrepair and destitution right across the street. Even most kids are going to conclude that you are selling them a pack of lies.
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Selling dreams ain't that hard :) . Seriously, that pretty much says it all. Then add in temptations and there is your powder keg. Boom.
 
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therealUT said:
One can ask plenty of questions as to why these things are not valued currently in a sizable portion of the black community. It is easy for white Americans to see the value in education, hard work, the future: education in white America is good and consistently pays off; hard work consistently pays off; and, the future is usually still there and still worth something for white Americans. Black Americans were steadily progressing in this country in the middle of the twentieth century. Education was valued in black communities; hard work paid off; and, the future was promising and worth something.

How do you think attitudes changed during white flight and red lining? The black individuals and families that were moving to white neighborhoods and suburbs were the black individuals that had either placed value in their education or worked hard, or both. They saw their future, their life savings (which was tied to the value of their new houses), and the promise of a world in which they could make it on merit absolutely shatter. They were left in neighborhoods in which the property value bottomed out; these neighborhoods then became overrun with the lower class and impoverished individuals and lifestyles that the successful individuals had worked hard to escape. Schools fell in to disrepair, due to a lack of enough revenues from property taxes to maintain them. At that point, I imagine that a lot of good individuals said "F*** this". A few years later, the Great Society Programs were paying individuals to be poor. Those who had good jobs and good educations were living in the same neighborhoods, their children were attending the same schools, as the individuals who had crappy jobs or no jobs. The individuals who had made nothing of themselves were getting paid by the government; and, their lives, their neighborhoods, and their schools were the exact same ones as those who had worked hard. The majority of individuals, whether black or white, at that point are going to say, "What is the point of working hard? How much is dignity really worth?"

Imagine telling your kid, "Work hard, make good grades, and you can be anything", and they respond by asking you if you did those things. You say you did and they look out and see disrepair and destitution right across the street. Even most kids are going to conclude that you are selling them a pack of lies.
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I don't disagree about the Great Society Programs and their impact in these communities. I do disagree about the school thing. My father grew up in a shack with extremely poor parents; went to a one room school house. The difference is that his parents values education for the children which they did not have for themselves. Education =/= money. As long as there is a willing student and a competent teacher, the education experience will be a success. Thus, the whole our property value dropped caused our education to suffer does not hold water with me.

The problem within these communities have always been at home. Most of these families do not value education, don't mine being on the dole, and have messed up family structure. This is a recipe for failure. To be honest, I am not sure how it got to this point; quite frankly I don't care either (I would care how to remedy the situation but I am not sure how you change culture). I don't think there is one (single) thing one can point to as the "cause". I know Ras would love to tell you it was the women and the government's co-conspiracy to render males useless. Although there is a certainly level of truth to that, I am not sure that is exclusively it. I think Hip-Hop culture has played a role. What is funny is that Hip-Hop tends to make most of its money off the white suburb population. The difference is the while suburb population seemingly does not view these artists as role models or take their lyrics seriously.
 
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PimpVol said:
The presence of Tom's is proof of what? That it is better on the otherside? No kidding. -- As soon as blacks broke free from oppression in the sixties, phase II went directly into affect. It had just the effect that was desired too. By the end of the eighties, the damage was done. At this point, it can't be corrected without totally starting over. Since that is not possible, the only alternative is to convert. Some figure that out before others. The lucky few. The rest are stuck. They don't know what they are stuck in. They don't even know why they are stuck. But they are stuck. Sympathy would not help either. Good thing nobody has any.
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I generally agree.

The bolded part is quite profound; I agree.
 
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