Riots if Obama loses

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PKT_VOL said:
Does not hold water with me.

The problem within these communities have always been at home. Most of these families do not value education, don't mine being on the dole, and have messed up family structure. This is a recipe for failure. To be honest, I am not sure how it got to this point; quite frankly I don't care either (I would care how to remedy the situation but I am not sure how you change culture). I don't think there is one (single) thing one can point to as the "cause". I know Ras would love to tell you it was the women and the government's co-conspiracy to render males useless. Although there is a certainly level of truth to that, I am not sure that is exclusively it. I think Hip-Hop culture has played a role. What is funny is that Hip-Hop tends to make most of its money off the white suburb population. The difference is the while suburb population seemingly does not view these artists as role models or take their lyrics seriously.
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The hiphop artists are largely black. Why would white kids have a black role model.
Now. Black community's had excellent structure and value systems in place. So. When did it go wrong? Right around 68. My mom new father. Her parents were married and lived together until death. In my generation, that phenomenon is rare. When mom is working, kids are doing there thing. When mom is working, kids are not getting mothered. Since dad is non-existent, kids are not being fathered. So. What do you end up with after mom & dad are rendered useless to their real purpose (though alive and well)? The black kids since 1988. The kids who were born into this ridiculous "culture". Rap and hiphop culteure have raised the black kids since that time. No excuses, just reality. The plan to destroy the fabric of the black community has work perfectly. :thumbsup: on a good job.
 
#228
#228
PKT_VOL said:
I don't disagree about the Great Society Programs and their impact in these communities. I do disagree about the school thing. My father grew up in a shack with extremely poor parents; went to a one room school house. The difference is that his parents values education for the children which they did not have for themselves. Education =/= money. As long as there is a willing student and a competent teacher, the education experience will be a success. Thus, the whole our property value dropped caused our education to suffer does not hold water with me.

The problem within these communities have always been at home. Most of these families do not value education, don't mine being on the dole, and have messed up family structure. This is a recipe for failure. To be honest, I am not sure how it got to this point; quite frankly I don't care either (I would care how to remedy the situation but I am not sure how you change culture). I don't think there is one (single) thing one can point to as the "cause". I know Ras would love to tell you it was the women and the government's co-conspiracy to render males useless. Although there is a certainly level of truth to that, I am not sure that is exclusively it. I think Hip-Hop culture has played a role. What is funny is that Hip-Hop tends to make most of its money off the white suburb population. The difference is the while suburb population seemingly does not view these artists as role models or take their lyrics seriously.
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I think there is an enormous difference between the parent who did not have education and the parent who had education, worked their ass off, and society absolutely **** on them. I think the former are more willing to take risks to get their children education and to encourage education; I think the latter are more likely to end up jaded and to try to foster a mindset of how to exploit the system.
 
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volmaverick said:
Unless you are a black then KingNick865 thinks u should be found innocent just because of the past!
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Because that's totally what I said...

You know what? Forget it. I'm tired of trying to reason with someone who does not have the capability to be reasoned with.
 
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#230
PimpVol said:
The hiphop artists are largely black. Why would white kids have a black role model.
Now. Black community's had excellent structure and value systems in place. So. When did it go wrong? Right around 68. My mom new father. Her parents were married and lived together until death. In my generation, that phenomenon is rare. When mom is working, kids are doing there thing. When mom is working, kids are not getting mothered. Since dad is non-existent, kids are not being fathered. So. What do you end up with after mom & dad are rendered useless to their real purpose (though alive and well)? The black kids since 1988. The kids who were born into this ridiculous "culture". Rap and hiphop culteure have raised the black kids since that time. No excuses, just reality.
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I agree that the disintegration of the family structure is the single biggest factor for the destruction of black culture and the chief reason they find themselves in the situation they are.

Other races are heading that direction as well; albeit at a much slower pace.

The real question is how do we remedy the problem? I certainly don't have clue.

PimpVol said:
The plan to destroy the fabric of the black community has work perfectly. :thumbsup: on a good job.
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Are you implying that this was an active conspiracy perpetuated by people outside the community?
 
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PKT_VOL said:
The real question is how do we remedy the problem? I certainly don't have clue.
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Completely cut the legs out of welfare, WIC, and food stamps. Replace these programs with government run food kitchens, where anybody can get two cold meals and one hot meal a day. This way, individuals will not starve; but, there is also little incentive or manner in which to exploit the system.
 
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therealUT said:
I think there is an enormous difference between the parent who did not have education and the parent who had education, worked their ass off, and society absolutely **** on them. I think the former are more willing to take risks to get their children education and to encourage education; I think the latter are more likely to end up jaded and to try to foster a mindset of how to exploit the system.
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How exactly did society do that?

I know plenty of black parents that came from nothing, who were hellbent on getting an education and working hard. They were successful; as just about anybody who values knowledge and hard work are. They instill those values in their children who then become successful.

It is all about breaking the vicious cycle.
 
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therealUT said:
Completely cut the legs out of welfare, WIC, and food stamps. Replace these programs with government run food kitchens, where anybody can get two cold meals and one hot meal a day. This way, individuals will not starve; but, there is also little incentive or manner in which to exploit the system.
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No, I agree.

I guess I meant (implicitly) with the caveat of being "politically expedient" or realistic.
 
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PimpVol said:
:yes: A series of unfortunate events led to the demise of the black family. None of which originated from within.
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Humm...you have to understand, that sounds very tin-hatish (to me).

Feel free to expound upon that.
 
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KingNick865 said:
Because that's totally what I said...

You know what? Forget it. I'm tired of trying to reason with someone who does not have the capability to be reasoned with.
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reason with???

No one in their "right mind" would say that a man guilty of cold blooded murder should be found innocent because of the past race problems etc!

Someone that would say that ..you are right can not be reasoned with on ANYTHING!
 
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#238
PKT_VOL said:
How exactly did society do that?

I know plenty of black parents that came from nothing, who were hellbent on getting an education and working hard. They were successful; as just about anybody who values knowledge and hard work are. They instill those values in their children who then become successful.

It is all about breaking the vicious cycle.
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There are good examples, here or there. But not cummunity wide. Too far and too few between. No leadership. It is akin to "going pro" early. They tuck tail and run for the hill as soon as possible. Then look down their noses from up there at you like THEY are white! Really messed up.
 
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therealUT said:
Completely cut the legs out of welfare, WIC, and food stamps. Replace these programs with government run food kitchens, where anybody can get two cold meals and one hot meal a day. This way, individuals will not starve; but, there is also little incentive or manner in which to exploit the system.
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government run food kitchens

why not charity and church run food kitchens?
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Humm...you have to understand, that sounds very tin-hatish (to me).

Feel free to expound upon that.
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Start at the end of the Civil Rights movement. The damage was done between 68 & 86. Just reaping the rewards now. We are now officially strangers in our "own" land.
 
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volmaverick said:
government run food kitchens
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Our Constitution clearly states that the government will protect the rights to life and liberty. Protecting life includes making sure that individuals are eating enough to live; that is not some extra benefit, so long as it is simply meeting basic subsistence needs. Thus, the government ought to do this, and it ought not be elaborate. Like I said, two colds and a hot, and make sure that they are nutritious and not junk.

volmaverick said:
why not charity and church run food kitchens?
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Nobody is keeping charity and church run food kitchens from offering this service now; no need to stop it then.
 
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volmaverick said:
reason with???

No one in their "right mind" would say that a man guilty of cold blooded murder should be found innocent because of the past race problems etc!

Someone that would say that ..you are right can not be reasoned with on ANYTHING!
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Alright then, since you seem to know what I am saying so well, please tell me where I said, "He should be found innocent because of prior race problems." That's what you thought I said, not what I actually said.
 
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MG1968 said:
post #238 says it all, unless you meant something different by "act white"
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Says all of what? I meant act white. As in act white instead of black. As in be something you are not. Turncoat. Treason. Benedict Arnold. UT (not the university). That clear enough?
 
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PimpVol said:
Says all of what? I meant act white. As in act white instead of black. As in be something you are not. Turncoat. Treason. Benedict Arnold. UT (not the university). That clear enough?
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so getting an education and moving out into the suburbs where your kids can grow up in relative peace is "acting white"

you, whether you want to admit it or realize it, are part of the problem
 
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PimpVol said:
Says all of what? I meant act white. As in act white instead of black. As in be something you are not. Turncoat. Treason. Benedict Arnold. UT (not the university). That clear enough?
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how are the two different? If the two are fundamentally different, which you absolutely imply, then what is the argument for equality?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
how are the two different? If the two are fundamentally different, which you absolutely imply, then what is the argument for equality?
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There was never an argument for equality. The argument was to not be hung and lynched and such. The argument was that a grown ass man was not a 'boy'. The argument was to not have to go to the back of the bus. The argument was we were not a second class citizen. The argument was not eating on back alleys anymore. The argument was why did we need National Guard escort to go to college. -+ Every human is born equal. That is nothing to strive for. But the trade of for that "equality" became an even worse segregation. Amongst ourselves.
 
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PimpVol said:
Says all of what? I meant act white. As in act white instead of black. As in be something you are not. Turncoat. Treason. Benedict Arnold. UT (not the university). That clear enough?
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So staying out of trouble, getting an education, a job, getting/staying married and working to better you and your children's lives is "acting white"?

I would have called that "acting responsible".
 
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