Why shouldn't College Coaches make the "Big Bucks"?

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Tenn_Vol_Authority said:
The education they get is not market value for their services. Any capitalist will tell you that. These guys generate millions, yet, they can't even make a dollar off of any of the items that are sold in the book store with their numbers on it.

You don't see anything wrong with that? Oh... wait... you'll probably sing me a sad song about your struggles to get an education. Yeah yeah yeah... save it. The fact is, you are not being exploited. Nobody vares if you go to Rocky Top market and get a little wasted, nobody wants to see you study. Nobody wants to know your GPA. Nobody pays money to see you do squat! Yet these guys are the only people that are not allowed to prosper from their work and effort on the field. Yeah... $10,000-$15,000 a year in SERVICES should be enough for Meachem or any other junior to stay one more year in school. What a joke,guys. Most of you can't even say it with a straight face...
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Then I'm sure you are donating the salaries of the professors that are teaching the courses that not only are the athletes taking advantage of but also all of the disadvantaged students that are willing to take advantage of an education they can't afford. Wait a minute, don't tell me that the revenues attained by the athletic endeavors aren't at least forwarded in a small part toward academic scholarships. Man, I'm so disillusioned........
 
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hatvol96 said:
The thing is, none of the peripheral financial stuff we're discussing has a damn thing to do with the real mission of a university. If the NFL and NBA were forced to create their own minor leagues, these debates would be irrelevant.
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I agree with you. But right now, the NCAA is the minor league for these guys.

I'm still trying to get a reason from someone (anyone) why these players aren't able to "build their brand" like someone said in another post and get endorsement deals.

The NCAA has control over how these kids are able to get money.
 
#29
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Tenn_Vol_Authority said:
I'm still trying to get a reason from someone (anyone) why these players aren't able to "build their brand" like someone said in another post and get endorsement deals.

The NCAA has control over how these kids are able to get money.
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That's a whole different issue, built around the NCAAs idiotic definition of amateurism. I won't go into my standard rant about the NCAA being slighly less effectual in it's job than Lucille Ball was working in the candy factory.
 
#30
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hmanvolfan said:
Then I'm sure you are donating the salaries of the professors that are teaching the courses that not only are the athletes taking advantage of but also all of the disadvantaged students that are willing to take advantage of an education they can't afford. Wait a minute, don't tell me that the revenues attained by the athletic endeavors aren't at least forwarded in a small part toward academic scholarships. Man, I'm so disillusioned........
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Oh man... now you are understanding what I'm talking about. I couldn't have said it better myself!

Everyone profits off of the work that the athletes provide to the university (due to ticket sales, concessions, bowl bids, licensing, etc.) Even grad students benefit in some way from the skills displayed by the student athletes. And yet, all they get is a scholarship?

:whistling:
 
#31
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Tenn_Vol_Authority said:
Oh man... now you are understanding what I'm talking about. I couldn't have said it better myself!

Everyone profits off of the work that the athletes provide to the university (due to ticket sales, concessions, bowl bids, licensing, etc.) Even grad students benefit in some way from the skills displayed by the student athletes. And yet, all they get is a scholarship?

:whistling:
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aside from the recognition the university gets, how does the Political Science professor gain anything from ticket sales, bowl bids, concessions, licensing, etc?
 
#33
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Tenn_Vol_Authority said:
Scholarship money for students and money spent on facilities or money for research.:ermm:
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so he gets more students? and those students are athletes. and no athletic money goes into the university academic side. it simply covers the rest of the school's athletic department.
 
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Tenn_Vol_Authority said:
Oh man... now you are understanding what I'm talking about. I couldn't have said it better myself!

Everyone profits off of the work that the athletes provide to the university (due to ticket sales, concessions, bowl bids, licensing, etc.) Even grad students benefit in some way from the skills displayed by the student athletes. And yet, all they get is a scholarship?

:whistling:
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You're right. Let's pay the athletes who will either make a great payday in professional sports or get a good job due to their name recognition being associated with the program and screw all them suckers who come from an environment that can't afford a college education. Sounds like a tradeoff to me. Why should the sweat of an athlete who couldn't give a rat's ass if he got a grade or not affect someone who does? That's just ludicrous.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Only good ones. I seriously doubt anyone's enrolling at Prarie View to be part of the atmosphere at games.
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which creates another great question. i previously asked if the female diver gets paid... what do you do for a low level school that barely makes any money off it's athletic program (if it's not in the red, which is the case for most universities). how do you pay those athletes?

edit- actually it doesn't even have to be low level. very few D1 programs turn a profit in athletics
 
#40
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hatvol96 said:
Only good ones. I seriously doubt anyone's enrolling at Prarie View to be part of the atmosphere at games.
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That is right. Thank you for making my point. All you have to do is look at application levels in the years before a school does well in football/basketball, and look at the application levels afterwards. Do the same comparison of donations to universities before championship (or successful) seasons and donations after championships seasons.

The evidence is not debatable...
 
#41
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Tenn_Vol_Authority said:
That is right. Thank you for making my point. All you have to do is look at application levels in the years before a school does well in football/basketball, and look at the application levels afterwards. Do the same comparison of donations to universities before championship (or successful) seasons and donations after championships seasons.

The evidence is not debatable...
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actually i've written papers on that very topic and the change is not as dramatic as most assume.
 
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volfanbill said:
which creates another great question. i previously asked if the female diver gets paid... what do you do for a low level school that barely makes any money off it's athletic program (if it's not in the red, which is the case for most universities). how do you pay those athletes?

edit- actually it doesn't even have to be low level. very few D1 programs turn a profit in athletics
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If they can't pay their athletes, then the jump to NAIA staus or Div-II or III.

Let the free market decide...
 
#46
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Tenn_Vol_Authority said:
What did you findings suggest? Are they published anywhere? Can I GOOGLE it and compare it with the work of other studies?
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they weren't my findings. they were published works by other authors. i just wrote about them. give me a while and i'll pull them up for you.
 
#47
#47
Tenn_Vol_Authority said:
That is right. Thank you for making my point. All you have to do is look at application levels in the years before a school does well in football/basketball, and look at the application levels afterwards. Do the same comparison of donations to universities before championship (or successful) seasons and donations after championships seasons.

The evidence is not debatable...
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True, but the only schools that see huge jumps are places like BC during the Flutie era and Gonzaga with their recent success. Known commodities like UT and Michigan see a bump, but study after study has shown that the increae is far smaller than the public perceives. In fact, there's a school of thought, with some empirical backing, that when you factor in facilities, travel, and coaching salaries, athletic departments aren't the PR bargain some would lead you to believe.
 
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hatvol96 said:
True, but the only schools that see huge jumps are places like BC during the Flutie era and Gonzaga with their recent success. Known commodities like UT and Michigan see a bump, but study after study has shown that the increae is far smaller than the public perceives. In fact, there's a school of thought, with some empirical backing, that when you factor in facilities, travel, and coaching salaries, athletic departments aren't the PR bargain some would lead you to believe.
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precisely. and even then the jumps are merely for two or three years at most. there's also evidence that the "bumps" are matched by "bumps" in dropouts.
 
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Tenn_Vol_Authority said:
So?
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You just killed the golden goose. The biggest financial boon to the NCAA and member institutions is the D-I basketball tournament and the billion dollar TV contract attached to it. Without the Gonzagas, George Masons, and St. Joe's of the world CBS wouldn't pay one tenth of that for the rights.
 
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volfanbill said:
they weren't my findings. they were published works by other authors. i just wrote about them. give me a while and i'll pull them up for you.
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I'll save you some trouble. This is one of the first places I got a hit on when I searched GOOGLE...

College Bowl Betting - Tostitos Bowl Odds - BCS Bowl Football Lines

Bowl games generate increased donations, valuable visibility, and even increases in school enrollment applications. In addition, it can also increase long-term revenues in licensing, endorsement money,
TV contracts, and season ticket sales.
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