Trooper and former players recruiting against vols?

#276
#276
This is BS. Shows the ethics of our day and age. Too bad it's not the Midieval times, ya'll could tar and feather their azz and run 'em outta town... lol.

J/K by the way... The best punishment is some negative press; get Hubbs, Rucker, Travis, Finebaum and some of the others to confirm this and get the word out!!!
 
#278
#278
heart of a vol said:
Just let him wallow in his self pity. That little "what did I do to deserve this" speech got under my skin a little. Like he was the only one affected by 3 head coaching changes in 3 years....
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This whole situation kind of sucks, but I still don't really see the reason for the outrage at GJ. Look at this situation from his perspective. If you were in his shoes wouldn't you feel like you kind of got jobbed by coming to UT and feel a little bitter towards the school? He came to school thinking he was going to be playing for an SEC legend and competing for titles, and by the end of his time here, he had endured 2 losing seasons, 3 head coaches and 5 position coaches. Sure, he wasn't the only one who went through this, but keep in mind, these are 18-21 year olds, and all of them are going to handle this type of adversity differently.

Given that he is known to have a personal friendship with TT that stretches much farther back than his relationship with anyone on the current coaching staff, I can see how this could all happen. If you really stop and think about it, what kind of loyalty was he ever shown while he was here in Knoxville such that we should expect the same from him? None. For him it was nothing more than a revolving door of coaches coming through town and leaving.

All that said, it still seems really low of him to be out there actively campaigning for recruits not to come to Knoxville, but drawing from his personal experience, I can at least understand why he might advise a kid to go elsewhere.
 
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#279
bleedorange0037 said:
This whole situation kind of sucks, but I still don't really see the reason for the outrage at GJ. Look at this situation from his perspective. If you were in his shoes wouldn't you feel like you kind of got jobbed by coming to UT and feel a little bitter towards the school? He came to school thinking he was going to be playing for an SEC legend and competing for titles, and by the end of his time here, he had endured 2 losing seasons, 3 head coaches and 5 position coaches. Sure, he wasn't the only one who went through this, but keep in mind, these are 18-21 year olds, and all of them are going to handle this type of adversity differently.

Given that he is known to have a personal friendship with TT that stretches much farther back than his relationship with anyone on the current coaching staff, I can see how this could all happen. If you really stop and think about it, what kind of loyalty was he ever shown while he was here in Knoxville such that we should expect the same from him? None. For him it was nothing more than a revolving door of coaches coming through town and leaving.

All that said, it still seems really low of him to be out there actively campaigning for recruits not to come to Knoxville, but drawing from his personal experience, I can at least understand why he might advise a kid to go elsewhere.
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Unplug your interwebs connection.
 
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#282
joevol320 said:
ncaa has no juristiction concerning fomer players. if they tried to interview one, the player could tell the ncaa to piss off and there is nothing they could do from a legal standpoint.
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I recall that one of the issues dug up in the recent North Carolina cheating mess involve a former NC receiver now playing for the Giants and his purchase of some clothing and paying for some lodging for a current player.

Sounds like the old 2A does whatever they please, legal or not.
 
#283
#283
bleedorange0037 said:
This whole situation kind of sucks, but I still don't really see the reason for the outrage at GJ. Look at this situation from his perspective. If you were in his shoes wouldn't you feel like you kind of got jobbed by coming to UT and feel a little bitter towards the school?
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I have much bigger issue with Trooper Taylor using him to do this, and with Jones risking a violation for the univeristy than I do with him saying he wasn't happy here if that was the truth.

I think that is what most people find objectionable.
 
#285
#285
Why would he advise a kid to go elsewhere? The bad things that happened to him are over. There is stability now, and these new kids have the chance to bring the program back. Past bad. Future bright. He should be encouraging them to come be part of it.

IF GJ did this, it's sour grapes. While I understand why he's bitter, I don't understand why he did what he allegedly did-- if he did it. :)
 
#286
#286
Fostermom lol. She got into with me about 5 years ago on Rivals for complaining about Arian's fumbles. If she wants to defend GJ and TT and this is true, she can join them on the sh!t list.
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#287
#287
Weezy said:
Jones could probably just make a public interview and clear this up, even if he might need to sway the facts of what he actually told him. That's what I would do. Just go on the radio and say "so and so asked me what I thought about the coaching staff at Auburn, and I told them I liked Trooper." End it there, and call it a day.
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Nobody who did something like this to their own school would ever admit it or be truthful about it.

Wonder if Malzan leaves Auburn will TT leave in a huff when he doesn't get the OC job?

Just what does he coach these days anyways?
 
#289
#289
Not the same thing exactly (although appaling in it's own way), anyone remember Rodney Garner (after he had left to assume a coaching position at Georgia)advising Cosey Coleman, Jamal Lewis and Deon Grant that they should turn pro early?

These are guys he helped directly recruit to UT and was still in contact with them in an advisory/mentor capacity even after he had left to go to GA.

Nothing surprises nowadays.
 
#290
#290
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Trooper recruited Gerald to UT. Seems like Gerald's allegiance is to Trooper in this case. Makes no sense, and if it's true, I would erase his name from everything he ever did as a Vol. I don't care what his thought process was in doing this, he's not a VFL, or a Vol at all at this point.
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So you'll agree to do the same for Johnny Majors' existence at UT, too, correct? Because in Majors' case, we actually know he said things, know what he said, and he said it for 15+ years to anyone who would care to listen in private or public recruiting against Tennessee during that time period.
 
#291
#291
IAM410EC said:
Not the same thing exactly (although appaling in it's own way), anyone remember Rodney Garner (after he had left to assume a coaching position at Georgia)advising Cosey Coleman, Jamal Lewis and Deon Grant that they should turn pro early?

These are guys he helped directly recruit to UT and was still in contact with them in an advisory/mentor capacity even after he had left to go to GA.

Nothing surprises nowadays.
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Garner did the right thing. Garner would have been lying through his teeth had he told them otherwise.

This isn't comparable. This involves a recruit, not a former coach giving sound career advice.
 
#292
#292
"Food is bad."

"Girls are ugly."

"Dooley's mean."

"Classes are too hard."

"Here are my experiences at UT - the good, the bad, and the ugly - I hope this helps you in your decision making process."

What was it?
 
#293
#293
jps2194 said:
I can understand loyalty to a coach, but I can't imagine that ever trumping loyalty to the University. Do you think Peyton is telling recruits to go to Duke because of Cutcliffe?

If a former VOL is doing that - then cut him off. No access to games, etc. Good riddens.
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Actually, I have no doubts if asked, Peyton would recommend Cutcliffe to any QB recruits. That's not being anti-UT; that's being pro-Cutcliffe.

Alas, most human beings are loyal to other human beings, especially those closest to them, not to something as abstract as a "university," which is little more than an organization with a set location & a history attached to the people who were once there. When people are more loyal to something like "the employer" or the "state" or the "university" more so than people, then, frankly, they are usually disturbed people.
 
#295
#295
glhal2814 said:
Garner did the right thing. Garner would have been lying through his teeth had he told them otherwise.

This isn't comparable. This involves a recruit, not a former coach giving sound career advice.
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I just said it was appaling. Just like this is, if true.

Garner should have received a league-issued public reprimand for his actions at the time.
 
#296
#296
Well Tiny still came here, so it must not have been as bad as the butthurt crew seem to make it out.
 
#297
#297
Doesn't matter so much what he said as it does that he said it. Dissing your school-- the one that just gave you a free ride-- to recruits isn't cool.
 
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IAM410EC said:
I just said it was appaling. Just like this is, if true.

Garner should have received a league-issued public reprimand for his actions at the time.
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No, he shouldn't have, because what he did wasn't appaling or wrong and was nothing like this at all.

Those three guys asked him what they should do about the league, and he told them they should go which was the truth. All three gained nothing by staying another year but a higher risk of injury for no money. His only other option was to lie to them or ignore, both of which would be immoral.

The problem with this situation is there is a third party being recruited. That's the key factor, and why its completely different. If Trooper ask Gerald if he was unhappy and Jones said "Yes" but didn't assist Trooper in recruiting its a non-issue.
 
#300
#300
"I got a call a week or so ago from a kid," Jones said. "I don't know who gave him my number, but I didn't talk down about anyone. I actually gave several positives about Tennessee like coach Baggitt. I just told the truth about what I know about Tennessee and Troop. At the end of the day that kid made the decision was best for him. Anyone that wants to criticize me about a rumor needs to look themselves in the mirror. I know what I said and it was all positive."
 
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