Trooper and former players recruiting against vols?

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Jones could probably just make a public interview and clear this up, even if he might need to sway the facts of what he actually told him. That's what I would do. Just go on the radio and say "so and so asked me what I thought about the coaching staff at Auburn, and I told them I liked Trooper." End it there, and call it a day.
 
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Weezy said:
I have mixed emotions.

My initial thoughts are anger, not only because that seems very disrespectful but also because it's completely idiotic. I hope he got a degree in a valuable major with a high GPA, because he's not going to the NFL without a pro day, and there isn't going to be many alumni or fans ready to give him a job based off being a UT player.

But if I try to put in perspective that if potential high school students were asking me about UT, I would answer them honestly. If there are some facets or experiences at UT that lead me to believe another school is better, I would tell them that. Because you don't want to give bad advice to a young person for such an important decision. So if GJ feels like a recruit would be more successful elsewhere, he has every right to give that advice. But he shouldn't do it while he's still on scholarship here. And Trooper should not be using former players from other schools to negatively recruit. Both are highly unethical.
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C'mon man, there is no moral ambiguity in this. This is lowlife scumbag behavior.
 
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I can't believe GJ would do this, but I do think he's one of the most bitter players. He went through one of the worst periods in Tennessee football and was one of the few that stuck it out four years on the coaching carousel. Two of those years, he had Crompton, who could barely hit the broad side of a barn, much less a receiver, so his stats suffered. Then Tyler Bray comes and bright days are ahead, just when GJ's time is up. He looks at the new guys and what they have to look forward to and has to feel jealousy.

GJ made numerous laments of the "what did we ever do to deserve this?" variety. He got the bummest of deals and now his NFL career is looking like a no-go, while the other two musketeers-- DeMo and Stocker-- are getting their shot. I feel for the guy and hope he didn't do this. Because if he did, doors won't just shut, they'll slam.
 
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I hate it to when people second guess me. When I think or know I am right, but how does this lead back GJ was it an interview, or source close to the program, or GW spilled the beans?
 
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VOL61 said:
I understand doing everything you can do to get guys. But there has to be some point were certain actions are too much. I think this should be one.

This is something UT fans will always remember GJ for. Not the games or catches. This is his legacy now. A traitor...

I don't think Taylor or any coach for that matter should be able to put kids in situations like this and walk away like nothing happened. Because it is going to follow GJ for the rest of his life. It is just against everything coaching stands for. People should be doing this because they love the game and care about the kids. Stuff like this is completely opposite of what college athletics should be about.....
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Agreed. If this is confirmed a lot of coaches will have an issue with this. People can say "all is fair in recruiting", but there remains a right and a wrong way to go about your business, and this is the wrong way. I can't imagine many coaches would respect Taylor after this. How could anyone trust to hire him knowing that position coaches leave for other jobs all the time, and he could turn around and do this to you when he leaves that job?
 
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If true, only two reasons for doing so exist: A) GJ was promised something professionally (i.e. GA position at the Barn, etc...) or B) was given something monetarily. These are the only logical reasons behind it. Even if GJ was upset at what was going on at UT, AND still was close to TT, there almost has to be something to push it over the top to make him do what he is accused of doing. Something such as A and/or B above.
 
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What I really hate is that all this happened over Gabe Wright. He is so SO not worth it. He certainly didn't need to be pushed to the Barn-- he took to it like a pig to shxx.
 
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So I just read through 16 pages and I have no idea if this is fact. So is there any truth to this story or is it still he said she said stuff? And come someone please fill me in on this whole Wright telling ppl CCS punched Wilcox. I took a little bit of a leave from VN after NSD so I haven't been on in a while and I'm very confused..
 
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boomer020 said:
So I just read through 16 pages and I have no idea if this is fact. So is there any truth to this story or is it still he said she said stuff? And come someone please fill me in on this whole Wright telling ppl CCS punched Wilcox. I took a little bit of a leave from VN after NSD so I haven't been on in a while and I'm very confused..
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Quitter.
 
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Vol Catdaddy said:
I hate it to when people second guess me. When I think or know I am right, but how does this lead back GJ was it an interview, or source close to the program, or GW spilled the beans?
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Honestly all my e cred is earned in the zone so I could care less if I am second guessed. The source if this to me is from someone that I would take info from to the bank every single time. The exact details on what was said exactly or how it became known to happen hasn't been told to me yet.
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Some thoughts:

1. There are more than three reliable posters saying that this has occurred (LWS, BMFPV, et al). Wait on Hubbs (or anyone else) if you'd like, but you can be comfortable in believing it now, just to get a jump on things.

2. Re-read the first line of the 'AA bylaw again. It makes no mention of which school the player is being recruited to attend, from which institution the contact was initiated, or whether it was toward the advancement of the same institution or not. Meaning, it doesn't appear to matter one iota that TT (AU) asked GJ/GW (TEN) to violate the dead period in order to contact a potential recruit for AU - it's squarely an insitutional violation on Tennessee (as GJ/GW are easily considered representative members of an institution).

3. Now, while we don't know how this all went down....we seem to be assuming that TT simply requested (as a friend) that these guys do this. That may be true.....but what if they were also compensated or otherwise benefitted from doing so, in a more tangible way? As a completely hypothetical example: given cash. You can't hit TT for that as neither are recruits nor student-athletes for AU. But, if the two remain on scholarship at Tennessee (they are)....and they took cash....that is undoubtedly an extra benefit. Wouldn't that also be Tennessee's violation? Well, think about the many ways in which the 'AA typically elects to punish a player for receiving such benefit - remove their amateur status, suspend them from playing, requiring them to repay the debt, doing community service - which of those are available in this case? If a violation has occurred, someone has to foot the bill...and if not the players themselves, then who?

4. Former coach / recruiter / weed dealer / friend or not - isn't there some kind of tampering bylaw which should have prevented TT from contacting two players who were on scholarship at another member institution? Didn't UT catch some flack for something like this in the Brandon Warren episode (where FSU attempted to claim that he had talked to UT before being asked for a hardship waiver)?

5. I am ecstatic that we have an AD who loves Tennessee so dearly and who's competency compels his ready-availability to deal with things like this as they arise....and not off busily doing, "not-his-job" halfway around the world.

6. GJ/GW could come out and hold a press conference today, and admit that they did all of the things which they are now accused of doing. What are you going to do to them, or about it? If they care what you think, or what was best for Tennessee, they wouldn't have done it in the first place. You can't pully their scholly before its annual expiration. You aren't going to hurt their already non-existent draft status. They aren't going to be living / staying in this community for any length of time. Essentially, you're going to do nothing about it. And like it. (And, no, I am not advocating that anyone attempt to do anything about it, whatsoever, either).

7. If Gabe Wright was truly a AU lock the entire time - and was never seriously considering UT (as some reliable posters were certain of), even on the eve of NSD......why would TT feel compelled to pull out all of the stops, up to and including enlisting the support of current (meaning, on scholly) UT players, to land him?

8. Wasn't there something in the local media within the last few months, essentially, saying that TT routinely returns to Knoxville to visit friends or something? Anyway, I found this comment from another article (al.com 2009, Link: http://blog.al.com/press-register-sports/2009/10/sec_extra_auburn_assistant_hea.html) to be ironically telling, when discussing his time at Tennessee: "You don't love people in slices," Taylor said. "You don't let proximity and moving away change things.". Oh, the title of that article? "Auburn assistant head coach Trooper Taylor owes a lot to Tennessee." Clearly.

One last (quick) edit: Were I Auburn, considering the Cam Newton verdict, I would take the 'AA bylaws and use it as toilet paper in the AD's office, or simply chest-bump around the fire as it burns to ash on Toomers Corner - and I would simply dare the 'AA to do anything about it, because at this point, there is no reason to believe that they will or could, even if they wanted to do so. So, if you can operate outside of the bylaws, why not celebrate it?
 
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BearCat204 said:
Honestly all my e cred is earned in the zone so I could care less if I am second guessed. The source if this to me is from someone that I would take info from to the bank every single time. The exact details on what was said exactly or how it became known to happen hasn't been told to me yet.
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If all this is true, GJ needs to go back to OKC and never come back across the Mississippi river agian!!
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LWSVOL said:
I think if Cut wanted Peyton to talk to a recruit about Duke, Peyton would do so in a heartbeat. If we were recruiting the same kid? Doubt he would but I'm sure he talks to recruits about Duke.
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I thought that there was rule about celeberity contact to recruits on behalf of the university in general. My understanding was it doesn't matter if you were alumni or not, you can't contact on behalf of a university as their agent.

Also, you mentioned that recruits can call coaches as often as they want during no-contact before NSD but coaches can only call once. What happens if a recurit leaves a message to call him back, and the coach already called him once? Can he then return the call?
 
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