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[BeardedVol]

I said both MacArthur and Patton made references to biblical verses and prophecy during their commands. I didn't say they were quoting what you're referring to did I. Nope.

Quote Patton and MacArthur telling troops that their actions were going to fulfill some 19th century end times nonsense dreamed up by John Nelson Darby.

 

[VolinMichigan]

I consider slave labor concentration camps abhorrent enough and we knew that the NAZIs were using them by at least the end of 1941. Hundreds of thousands were dying in those camps.

There were also refugees and POWs fleeing Eastern Europe speaking about the camps if they managed to escape.

 

[ETV]

US military leaders telling troops that attacking Iran is fulfilling a prophecy to bring about the return of jesus are the actions of religious radicals.

The United States is not a "christian nation" no matter how much you christian nationalists try to convince everyone otherwise.

Do you believe the Hegseth's referencing biblical prophecy is as radical as the Mullahs within Iran's government?

 

[VolinMichigan]

The point was your claim about Hegseth preaching about the end of days and how radical that may be, while ignoring the radical policies of the nation we're currently at war with.

Some of the quotes from Hegseth:

“Our capabilities are better. Our will is better. Our troops are better. The providence of our almighty God is there protecting those troops, and we’re committed to this mission,”

A couple of days later, not long after returning from a dignified transfer of soldiers killed in action, Hegseth quoted Psalm 144 at a Pentagon press conference: “Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle.”

You view this as radical?

He also quoted a fake Bible passage from pulp fiction so pardon me if I question the DUI hire’s grasp on Biblical references.

 

[BeardedVol]

Do you believe the Hegseth's referencing biblical prophecy is as radical the Mullahs within Iran's government?

Is Hegseth competing with the mullahs on who can be the biggest religious radical?

I don't need to know anything to about the mullahs to know that the the US secretary of defense telling soldiers that their actions are fulfilling dispensational prophecy, are the actions of a religious radical.

Especially so given that the US is a secular nation.

 

[ETV]

He also quoted a fake Bible passage from pulp fiction so pardon me if I question the DUI hire’s grasp on Biblical references.

I wasn't aware of him quoting that. If you're referring to Ezekiel 25:17, it's not accurate as depicted in the film, but it's not fake.

 

[ETV]

Is Hegseth competing with the mullahs on who can be the biggest religious radical?

I don't need to know anything to about the mullahs to know that the the US secretary of defense telling soldiers that their actions are fulfilling dispensational prophecy, are the actions of a religious radical.

Especially so given that the US is a secular nation.

There's a difference between what Hegseth is quoting, compared to the teachings of the religious fanatics in Iran. He's not providing them with some false illusion of paradise and acceptance if they will sacrifice themselves against the infidels.

 

[OHvol40]

There's a difference between what Hegseth is quoting, compared to the teachings of the religious fanatics in Iran. He's not providing them with some false illusion of paradise and acceptance if they will sacrifice themselves against the infidels.

Doesn’t matter to what degree. Keep religious motivation of any kind out of the military all taxpayers are contributing a sh*t ton to fund.

 

[ETV]

Doesn’t matter to what degree. Keep religious motivation of any kind out of the military all taxpayers are contributing a sh*t ton to fund.

As I stated previously in my OP. Not the time for Hegseth to use religious references. Leave that up to the individual and their own faith to interpret.

 

[Weezer]

and by the end of 1941 we were well and truly into the war.

if slave labor and hundreds of thousands of minorities dying we should have also invaded: The Soviet Union, France, Britain, Belgium, and probably a few others.

We were busy setting up Japanese internment camps.

 

[BeardedVol]

There's a difference between what Hegseth is quoting, compared to the teachings of the religious fanatics in Iran. He's not providing them with some false illusion of paradise and acceptance if they will sacrifice themselves against the infidels.

It's not just hegseth being stupid enough to believe that Jules Winnfield's monologue is biblical.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

As I stated previously in my OP. Not the time for Hegseth to use religious references. Leave that up to the individual and their own faith to interpret.

What do you expect? The guy is in waaaaaaaaaaay over his head

 

[Carl Pickens]

Have you ever ridden naked in a Bradley with your squad?

I bet it smelled like a dead animals ass in there

 

[kiddiedoc]

Especially so given that the US is a secular nation.

You really ought to dig in to the original writings and actions of our Founding Fathers.

 

[BeardedVol]

You really ought to dig in to the original writings and actions of our Founding Fathers.

Founding fathers, like John Adams?

Avalon Project - The Barbary Treaties 1786-1816 - Treaty of Peace and Friendship, Signed at Tripoli November 4, 1796

 

[EasternVol]

You really ought to dig in to the original writings and actions of our Founding Fathers.

Just read the 1st Amendment and the rest of the Constitution. They set things up so people could worship or not as they please. There's separation of religion and state. That's a secular nation.

 

[NashVol11]

You really ought to dig in to the original writings and actions of our Founding Fathers.

A YouTube video from Lakepoint Church, what an unimpeachable source

 

[ETV]

A YouTube video from Lakepoint Church, what an unimpeachable source

Same can be said when you post links from the guardian to support your position.

 

[BeardedVol]

A YouTube video from Lakepoint Church, what an unimpeachable source

Come on man, a christian nationalist church pastor is definitely who you want to go and get your historical context from.

Josh Howerton redefines following Jesus as becoming empire – Baptist News Global

Josh Howerton is an authoritarian theocrat who thinks his penis, pulpit and piety give him the right to rule the world.

baptistnews.com

 

[kiddiedoc]

A YouTube video from Lakepoint Church, what an unimpeachable source

How about quotes from the original writings of the FFs? Give it a listen, it's a great podcast.

 

[MontyPython]

There's a difference between what Hegseth is quoting, compared to the teachings of the religious fanatics in Iran. He's not providing them with some false illusion of paradise and acceptance if they will sacrifice themselves against the infidels.

Last I checked, "America First".

WTF are we doing in Iran? Who the F gives a **** whether they're nutballs or not?

Don't say nukes.

N. Korea has nukes and they *already* threatened* us with them. Yet, Trump ain't attacking them.

 

[ETV]

Last I checked, "America First".

WTF are we doing in Iran? Who the F gives a **** whether they're nutballs or not?

Don't say nukes.

N. Korea has nukes and they *already* threatened* us with them. Yet, Trump ain't attacking them.

Fine. Remove the nuclear aspirations out of it.

They’ve been responsible for financing terror operations throughout the ME, Europe and other areas of the world. They’ve provided money or weapons to anyone who falls in line with their belief that the west is evil, etc.

Continuing to look the other way while Iran is war by proxy isn’t going to offer any solution. They’ve been a threat to our allies in the region (not just Israel) and a decision was made.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Just read the 1st Amendment and the rest of the Constitution. They set things up so people could worship or not as they please. There's separation of religion and state. That's a secular nation.

Seems Hegseth's comments would fall under that. Personally, I think they were misdirected, but it's not like he drafted the audience in the name of God, or demanded they convert to evangelical Christianity to get their next paycheck. (Admittedly, I haven't read his quotes; there are some admitted assumptions about his comments.)

 

[MontyPython]

Fine. Remove the nuclear aspirations out of it.

They’ve been responsible for financing terror operations throughout the ME, Europe and other areas of the world. They’ve provided money or weapons to anyone who falls in line with their belief that the west is evil, etc.

Continuing to look the other way while Iran is war by proxy isn’t going to offer any solution. They’ve been a threat to our allies in the region (not just Israel) and a decision was made.

Hmmmm...

Who's terrorizing who?

Question: "They’ve been responsible for financing terror operations throughout the ME, Europe and other areas of the world. They’ve provided money or weapons to anyone who falls in line with their belief that Iran is evil, etc."

Answer: USA.

One man's "freedom fighter" is another man's "terrorist".

What are we doing in Iran?

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Fine. Remove the nuclear aspirations out of it.

They’ve been responsible for financing terror operations throughout the ME, Europe and other areas of the world. They’ve provided money or weapons to anyone who falls in line with their belief that the west is evil, etc.

Continuing to look the other way while Iran is war by proxy isn’t going to offer any solution. They’ve been a threat to our allies in the region (not just Israel) and a decision was made.

So we just needed to attack them, huh? Wow. Just attack with no exit strategy and figure it out as we go? You're on par with this administration, that's for sure