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volfanhill said:
Then why respond to my comment, that wasn't directed at you, defending why they cant provide arguments showing their displeasure with Trump on this earlier? lol. Derp deep state. Got it. You may not have espoused it but you sure as hell created an excuse. My fault too?
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One key event many are missing was in 2018 when Trump dissolved the agreement. What have they been doing for the past 8 years with no guardrails at all?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Because you posed a false dilemma, thinking that it wasn't a false dilemma. If someone claimed that the sky is purple, one doesn't have to have a dog in the fight to offer a correction.

The fact of the matter is that Trump had his hands full and was spending massive amounts of energy and political capital on self-preservation in his first term. We don't know what intel reports they had about Iran, how close Iran was to a nuclear bomb at the time, etc... The simplest way to state is that his first term != his second term. so expectations of him at either time should probably be judged separately.

You don't know what his supporters believe now. Do they support Trump's actions in Iran unconditionally? Do they believe nukes was the sole reason for bombing them this time? (Hint: It likely wasn't. It was likely one reason, and a great excuse to do it for leverage against Russia and China--just like Venezuela likely was.) Has Trump even said that that was the only reason for bombing them this time? Do his supporters believe that he actually promised "no new wars"? (Hint: he didn't. Go read the Venezuela thread. Many quotes were offered.)

There are a lot of nuances to the conversation, and one would think that you'd be interested in discussing them if you were interested in more than just running into a room and screaming "cultists!" to a bunch of strangers.
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lol. Yup that's all
 
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