Iran

[BernardKingGOAT]

Then why respond to my comment, that wasn't directed at you, defending why they cant provide arguments showing their displeasure with Trump on this earlier? lol. Derp deep state. Got it. You may not have espoused it but you sure as hell created an excuse. My fault too?

One key event many are missing was in 2018 when Trump dissolved the agreement. What have they been doing for the past 8 years with no guardrails at all?

 

[volfanhill]

Because you posed a false dilemma, thinking that it wasn't a false dilemma. If someone claimed that the sky is purple, one doesn't have to have a dog in the fight to offer a correction.

The fact of the matter is that Trump had his hands full and was spending massive amounts of energy and political capital on self-preservation in his first term. We don't know what intel reports they had about Iran, how close Iran was to a nuclear bomb at the time, etc... The simplest way to state is that his first term != his second term. so expectations of him at either time should probably be judged separately.

You don't know what his supporters believe now. Do they support Trump's actions in Iran unconditionally? Do they believe nukes was the sole reason for bombing them this time? (Hint: It likely wasn't. It was likely one reason, and a great excuse to do it for leverage against Russia and China--just like Venezuela likely was.) Has Trump even said that that was the only reason for bombing them this time? Do his supporters believe that he actually promised "no new wars"? (Hint: he didn't. Go read the Venezuela thread. Many quotes were offered.)

There are a lot of nuances to the conversation, and one would think that you'd be interested in discussing them if you were interested in more than just running into a room and screaming "cultists!" to a bunch of strangers.

lol. Yup that's all

 

[FLVOL_79]

Weird how Iran is so emboldened now that they think they control the Strait. Good job Trump lol

Iran allows energy giant’s ship to sail through Strait of Hormuz

The ship made its way through the strait, hewing close to the Iranian coastline, before heading for Oman

www.independent.co.uk

 

[FLVOL_79]

One key event many are missing was in 2018 when Trump dissolved the agreement. What have they been doing for the past 8 years with no guardrails at all?

Are you saying Dementia Trump is trying to clean up a mess from Not So Much Dementia Trump?

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Are you saying Dementia Trump is trying to clean up a mess from Not So Much Dementia Trump?

Yep. It doesn't get mentioned enough

 

[FLVOL_79]

Airline prices shooting through the roof (due to Trumps misbegotten foray into war for oil). Tried to plan out a bunch of bidness trips for the remainder of the year and when I was paying 500ish for tickets I'm now up over 1000 to 3000 is some cases. Nuts. Reminds me of tariffs (tax increase) and the costs being passed on to the consumer.

Thanks Trump!

 

[rikberry31]

You misunderstand about everything else so it's no surprise you misunderstand that.

Again with I am stupid. Freaking prove me wrong.

 

[rikberry31]

I bet it smelled like a dead animals ass in there

Way worse. You'd better off sticking your head up a dead skunk's azz.

 

[jvol1]

The American epoch of oil is collapsing. What comes next could be ugly | Jonathan Watts

China is dominating the energy transition with astonishing result, while fossil fuel fascists in the US try to turn back the clock

www.theguardian.com

We wont be able to live in the past with our policies. Let's stop being colonialists and move into the 21st century.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Um hes not starting a war now and based current on logic wouldn't need approval then according to him

Has less approval now...that includes pre "war"numbers ....can we call it a war? Asking for a friend...numbers


And still you can't support your argument that other admins kicked the can but Trump did not . Again, where are your criticisms or even advice to the admin How did you support no new wars when you wanted new war? Makes you look...

Difference is, he doesn't have to prioritize re-election now.

At its absolute best, that's the argument Crush has to hang his hat on.

 

[ButchPlz]

The American epoch of oil is collapsing. What comes next could be ugly | Jonathan Watts

China is dominating the energy transition with astonishing result, while fossil fuel fascists in the US try to turn back the clock

www.theguardian.com

We wont be able to live in the past with our policies. Let's stop being colonialists and move into the 21st century.

These points would be made much better without the whole "fossil fuel fascists" BS.

 

[EasternVol]

Again with I am stupid. Freaking prove me wrong.

You prove yourself wrong and that saves others the trouble. You half understand something then go in guns blazing, but end up sounding like Emily Litella. "Surrender or we'll drop another A-bomb on you" is the ultimate in bullying. If it was necessary to get them to surrender then it was necessary. Some say it wasn't.
But that's not the main point. Someone said Iran would bully other countries if they got nukes, and I asked when that's happened after 1945. So when has it happened after 1945? What would happen if they tried that?

 

[rikberry31]

You prove yourself wrong and that saves others the trouble. You half understand something then go in guns blazing, but end up sounding like Emily Litella. "Surrender or we'll drop another A-bomb on you" is the ultimate in bullying. If it was necessary to get them to surrender then it was necessary. Some say it wasn't.
But that's not the main point. Someone said Iran would bully other countries if they got nukes, and I asked when that's happened after 1945. So when has it happened after 1945? What would happen if they tried that?

Should we have left the Nazis alone? Iran is an evil fascist totalitarian regime. They are really no different than the Nazis.