Game Thread: Lady Vols v Belmont, Home, Thurs. Nov 13th, 7PM, SEC Network

[mudcat1973]

It's OK guys....I think.

https://nativeground.com/drifting farmhouse Charlestown moody/ you post made me think of a country and blue grass song. Charles E Moody wrote that song. @GameTime link tells about his life as a songwriter/song writer . and his mountain home where lived as young boy.

there's more bigger names that sing that song but hard to beat the guy in the wheelchair sorry for triple @GameTime I'm done

 

[37620VOL]

The best thing for Caldwell is to have a satisfactory season because it will force even more NIL funds. Eventually $ can’t lose. Danny can’t afford let her fail.

Actually, he can. I don't want to get into why that is because I don't want to see her fail.

 

[Texas]

Ugh, this sounds like Holly, and I want to puke. Pound it in to the paint. To paraphrase, she said something like she didn’t care if TN made a 3 ever. Pound it in the paint BS is just instead replaced with drive into the paint. Looks a lot the same. Bunch of people standing around. So fix it.

Options:
1. A player drives, then do t stand and watch. Make a cut too. That way the defense packed in the pain can’t collapse all on o e player. Latham seemed to be the only one who did t stand in the corner but made her way to the paint. Maybe that’s why she looks like the best player on court some times?

2. STOP BEING HOLLY. Embrace your strategy. Kim lines thread. Kim lines allowing her players to play. Doesn’t seem to be her mantra at all. The rubbish on court looks all Holly. Part of shooting horrible is that they feel the pressure of the game AND the pressure of the scrutiny. Doesn’t help anyone. Let them play free. They weren’t lights out last year either from three.

 

[Volfan2012]

Coach Caldwell explained last night that this years schedule is not one she put together. All the games are mostly from Harper said she would have a much different schedule that what we are playing not really saying if it would be tougher or easier.

 

[Volfan2012]

The overall take on the team to this point is that they have no offensive strategy. Were just either running it down and throwing up a three or dribbling it around getting in trouble and passing it out of bounds. Need a lot less dribbling and a lot more movement have to make the defense work from side to side and then have some cuts to the basket. Every opponent thus far seems to think the zone is how to play us and thus far have been really successful with it.

Defensively were fine in the half court more than the press. Still getting balls thrown over the top to an unguarded player. I know the last two teams are not real strong offensive teams. but allowing 61 and 58 is acceptable totals. The way we run the floor anything below 70 for the opponent should give us a great chance to win. Last no way we keep throwing up over 30 three point shots and making 5 or 6. If so were going to lose a lot of games in the future.

Finally were going to need some post players that are willing to get inside and work for shots around the rim. Wolfenbarger is usually in there, but she cannot make a layup. Barker and Spearman like to play guard and that is ok if they leak out and occasionally take a three point shot. We really need both of them to do more on the inside cause looks like this team is not going to be that great shooting threes.

 

[Volfan2012]

Here is our four game totals 75 of 140 from two point 54 percent. 37 of 137 from three 25 percent. 78.5 ppg. How we have scored points on shots 150 points on 140 shots two point. 111 points on 137 shots three. I know you can't take all of one shot or the other, but anyway if we had taken all two point shots we would've scored 298 points. If we'd taken all threes 216 points. Even if we were shooting 35 percent from the three it would be 291 points. Our average is 34 three a game or 8.5 per quarter. Were probably going to need to get that down to about 5 per quarter and try to get to the basket another three to five times per quarter.

 

[RetroVol]

I also do not like that Robertson seems to penetrate the lane solely to draw a foul and not to finish. Just tries to draw contact and throws up some wild shot that doesn’t have a prayer. You have to at least give it a chance.

100%

 

[mudcat1973]

100%

Seen officials give players shots where the offense player made contact and defense was standing in position.
Refs give foul shots not earned..
Offense player getting favorable calls from the officials.
Lots of players try that.
It's nice when officials calls.
It right most of the night..
And chips fall where they may.

 

[madtownvol]

LV renaissance, everything you said in your last post was right on.

From Week One of workouts Kim has been honest about her concerns about not having the consistent 3-pt shooters and how she hopes some players will step up and fill that role. Unfortunately, after no true dead-eye bombers emerged, Kim later had to concede that we are now "a driving team." But like you said, us not making threes just makes us easier to guard in the paint, and I believe that's why I'm getting a sense of panic from Kim this season that I never saw last season. I believe she knew last season that even if we were cold from deep now and then, that at least she was confident we had some solid shooters who could get hot. I don't think she feels that confidence right now. Ugh.

I would also love to see us try pressing only after made baskets. It may work more often if we did that. Like madtownvol said, "No amount of effort can compensate for leaving players wide open." We are actually helping lesser opponents score against us right now.

To justify how much college coaches are paid, we like to pretend that 5 on 5 basketball is more complicated than quantum physics but its not. The X's and O's are pretty straightforward. Better coaches tend to be flexible in their schemes and build teams that can beat you in multiple ways.

Predictabllity is generally a problem becasue everyone has game film.

Great coaches win by getting talented players and figuring out ways to optimize their talents. A lot of coaching success is mostly player management and having everyone on the same proverbial page.

Last season, CKC did have some great senior leadership and not that many true freshman, so it was a more experienced squad. Spencer, Spear, and Tess were important leadership cogs, as well as the now missing 3 point threats.

Those fortuitous circumstances insulated CKC from the reality of not having any prior power 5 coaching experience and just one year at the D1 level.

Quite honestly, a team of athletes that can't shoot three ball is a BIG problem in today's game. It turns out, basketball is not a track meet and some important skill sets are missing.

It ain't gonna be an easy road to success this season.

CKC is looking more insecure and rattled this season and her two more experienced assistants need to provide a calming intervention.

Stop giving away easy points using the dumb#ss full court press. Put the energy into half court defense and rebounding and getting more movement off the ball in the offensive sets. Find some combos that work and drop the 60 to 90 second gimmick. It ain't that hard.

The above was my take (and quite a few others) last season and the team had more success when the actually did more this and less of the "system."

 

[VolBall09]

Finally watched the presser.

No comment on anything said.

But, imo, Kim’s eyes looked deeply sad last night. I’m not sure what is going on, but it’s not nothing.

 

[DeerPark12]

Coach Caldwell explained last night that this years schedule is not one she put together. All the games are mostly from Harper said she would have a much different schedule that what we are playing not really saying if it would be tougher or easier.

No, she said last night that last year's schedule was one she inherited and she didn't like all of the easy games because they didn't learn anything. She is responsible for most of this schedule, only MTSU and UT-Martin predated this staff. The rest of the non-conference schedule was made by the current staff and administration, save for picking up Stanford in the SEC-ACC Challenge.

 

[RAVOL]

We won a game we're we shot horribly from 3 a good mid major team that will challenge to get into Big Dance. So look at positive when this team was horrible from 3 last year we lost even to teams we were better than. Kim mentioned they need lots of practice time to work on what they need to and one of those is player movement on offense and getting better in Press. Breath some of you so many new faces. Season is Marathon not Sprint. In CHRIST Alone

 

[chuckiepoo]

To justify how much college coaches are paid, we like to pretend that 5 on 5 basketball is more complicated than quantum physics but its not. The X's and O's are pretty straightforward. Better coaches tend to be flexible in their schemes and build teams that can beat you in multiple ways.

Predictabllity is generally a problem becasue everyone has game film.

Great coaches win by getting talented players and figuring out ways to optimize their talents. A lot of coaching success is mostly player management and having everyone on the same proverbial page.

Last season, CKC did have some great senior leadership and not that many true freshman, so it was a more experienced squad. Spencer, Spear, and Tess were important leadership cogs, as well as the now missing 3 point threats.

Those fortuitous circumstances insulated CKC from the reality of not having any prior power 5 coaching experience and just one year at the D1 level.

Quite honestly, a team of athletes that can't shoot three ball is a BIG problem in today's game. It turns out, basketball is not a track meet and some important skill sets are missing.

It ain't gonna be an easy road to success this season.

CKC is looking more insecure and rattled this season and her two more experienced assistants need to provide a calming intervention.

Stop giving away easy points using the dumb#ss full court press. Put the energy into half court defense and rebounding and getting more movement off the ball in the offensive sets. Find some combos that work and drop the 60 to 90 second gimmick. It ain't that hard.

The above was my take (and quite a few others) last season and the team had more success when the actually did more this and less of the "system."

An infidel… I’m keeping receipts!

 

[madtownvol]

An infidel… I’m keeping receipts!

Personally, I prefer heretic but....

 

[Lucy]

Finally watched the presser.

No comment on anything said.

But, imo, Kim’s eyes looked deeply sad last night. I’m not sure what is going on, but it’s not nothing.

I got very tired of watching her fiddle with her hair. Those extensions are horrible and the constant stroking etc. makes her look worried and unprofessional. She desperately needs personal presentation help. Body language is bad.

 

[volsagain]

To justify how much college coaches are paid, we like to pretend that 5 on 5 basketball is more complicated than quantum physics but its not. The X's and O's are pretty straightforward. Better coaches tend to be flexible in their schemes and build teams that can beat you in multiple ways.

Predictabllity is generally a problem becasue everyone has game film.

Great coaches win by getting talented players and figuring out ways to optimize their talents. A lot of coaching success is mostly player management and having everyone on the same proverbial page.

Last season, CKC did have some great senior leadership and not that many true freshman, so it was a more experienced squad. Spencer, Spear, and Tess were important leadership cogs, as well as the now missing 3 point threats.

Those fortuitous circumstances insulated CKC from the reality of not having any prior power 5 coaching experience and just one year at the D1 level.

Quite honestly, a team of athletes that can't shoot three ball is a BIG problem in today's game. It turns out, basketball is not a track meet and some important skill sets are missing.

It ain't gonna be an easy road to success this season.

CKC is looking more insecure and rattled this season and her two more experienced assistants need to provide a calming intervention.

Stop giving away easy points using the dumb#ss full court press. Put the energy into half court defense and rebounding and getting more movement off the ball in the offensive sets. Find some combos that work and drop the 60 to 90 second gimmick. It ain't that hard.

The above was my take (and quite a few others) last season and the team had more success when the actually did more this and less of the "system."

This team should get better with time and experience. The freshman have growing to do some of the transfers just aren't as good as doing things WE think they should. All of these games before SEC starts are basically practice games but will have a baring on seeding for the big dance. Guess we should roll with the flow until SEC tournament.

 

[chuckiepoo]

Guess we should roll with the flow until SEC tournament.

Miteaswell. Pointing out problems and potential alternative resolutions to issues is our realm here in the ether of fandom. It kind of depends on one’s threshold for pain.

 

[mudcat1973]

To justify how much college coaches are paid, we like to pretend that 5 on 5 basketball is more complicated than quantum physics but its not. The X's and O's are pretty straightforward. Better coaches tend to be flexible in their schemes and build teams that can beat you in multiple ways.

Predictabllity is generally a problem becasue everyone has game film.

Great coaches win by getting talented players and figuring out ways to optimize their talents. A lot of coaching success is mostly player management and having everyone on the same proverbial page.

Last season, CKC did have some great senior leadership and not that many true freshman, so it was a more experienced squad. Spencer, Spear, and Tess were important leadership cogs, as well as the now missing 3 point threats.

Those fortuitous circumstances insulated CKC from the reality of not having any prior power 5 coaching experience and just one year at the D1 level.

Quite honestly, a team of athletes that can't shoot three ball is a BIG problem in today's game. It turns out, basketball is not a track meet and some important skill sets are missing.

It ain't gonna be an easy road to success this season.

CKC is looking more insecure and rattled this season and her two more experienced assistants need to provide a calming intervention.

Stop giving away easy points using the dumb#ss full court press. Put the energy into half court defense and rebounding and getting more movement off the ball in the offensive sets. Find some combos that work and drop the 60 to 90 second gimmick. It ain't that hard.

The above was my take (and quite a few others) last season and the team had more success when the actually did more this and less of the "system."

Belmont coach said they miss more threes than twos.
He said simple math.
He game plan to give his team a chance against Tennessee bigger players.
He got good effort out of less taller team
All a Coach can do help the players do their best.
It's up to the coach to x and O's to get most out of their team.

 

[volfan99c]

Prawl and Robertson both need a yellow light at this point. They both bring other things to the table but their 3 point shooting isn’t it.

Good film for Prawl last night. She was most effective when she was crashing the glass and playing good defense. Needs to pass on those long shots until she’s more confident.

Robertson has looked good at times this season but was completely out of control last night. She has to remember she is on a team loaded with other talent now. We definitely do not want her trying to do it all. The cross court pass she made to the third row when Pauldo was wide open in the corner was at a really bad time and a really poor decision for a veteran player.

I also do not like that Robertson seems to penetrate the lane solely to draw a foul and not to finish. Just tries to draw contact and throws up some wild shot that doesn’t have a prayer. You have to at least give it a chance.

agree, so far for me robertson has been one of the biggest eyesores which sucks because she seems like a nice teammate. she drives into the crowded paint, plants a foot and has no plan. she can't seem to finish. her shooting is high volume and inefficient. she's a big step down from ruby whitehorn. the pass she made to the third row led to some of THE WORST body language i've ever seen from talaysia cooper and that's saying something.

it would be great if someone could step up and take some her robertson's minutes, just not sure who that would be at this point.

 

[Coach Jumper]

agree, so far for me robertson has been one of the biggest eyesores which sucks because she seems like a nice teammate. she drives into the crowded paint, plants a foot and has no plan. she can't seem to finish. her shooting is high volume and inefficient. she's a big step down from ruby whitehorn. the pass she made to the third row led to some of THE WORST body language i've ever seen from talaysia cooper and that's saying something.

it would be great if someone could step up and take some her robertson's minutes, just not sure who that would be at this point.

Another thought is when the 4 girls who are on the perimeter watching. Nya go into the lane ...it might be a good idea for one of them to make a cut to the basket as well to give Nya, an immediate option.

 

[37620VOL]

To justify how much college coaches are paid, we like to pretend that 5 on 5 basketball is more complicated than quantum physics but its not. The X's and O's are pretty straightforward. Better coaches tend to be flexible in their schemes and build teams that can beat you in multiple ways.

Predictabllity is generally a problem becasue everyone has game film.

It may not be quantum, but basketball is literally physics in action. I can see your point but I can also see CKCs. There are 2 methods and either can lead to success or failure.

Option 1: You can be world-class at one scheme. You recruit to the scheme and you become so good at it that no one can do anything about it. Most fail and get fired.

Option 2: You can be a complex chameleon, "being multiple", if you will. You change your strategy based on the opponent, but you run the risk of being a master of nothing. Most fail and get fired.

CKC definitely leans strongly toward Option 1, but I do believe she is looking at what is and isn't working and will tweek things slightly as the season progresses.

 

[brittannica]

I got very tired of watching her fiddle with her hair. Those extensions are horrible and the constant stroking etc. makes her look worried and unprofessional. She desperately needs personal presentation help. Body language is bad.

I have a very dumb question. How can we tell if they're extensions and, if they are extensions, how can we tell if they're bad? I've never been tempted by extensions because I hate having long hair lol, but this also feels like something that everybody knows but me. I definitely haven't liked her hair this season, but I didn't realize it wasn't her hair.

 

[chuckiepoo]

It may not be quantum, but basketball is literally physics in action. I can see your point but I can also see CKCs. There are 2 methods and either can lead to success or failure.

Option 1: You can be world-class at one scheme. You recruit to the scheme and you become so good at it that no one can do anything about it. Most fail and get fired.

Option 2: You can be a complex chameleon, "being multiple", if you will. You change your strategy based on the opponent, but you run the risk of being a master of nothing. Most fail and get fired.

CKC definitely leans strongly toward Option 1, but I do believe she is looking at what is and isn't working and will tweek things slightly as the season progresses.

She has a wonderful resource in Pastor Barnes. Dog earred defense, but everything else is on the table depending on individual talents.

 

[RetroVol]

She has a wonderful resource in Pastor Barnes. Dog earred defense, but everything else is on the table depending on individual talents.

Yup. An absolute master at putting together offensive schemes that produce buckets in droves.

Seriously, love Coach Barnes, but the LVs need to score!

 

[chuckiepoo]

Yup. An absolute master at putting together offensive schemes that produce buckets in droves.

Seriously, love Coach Barnes, but the LVs need to score!

He does have that 30ish offensive efficiency rating ceiling …