Tony Vitello to SF Giants (Confirmed)

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Christian Lowe said:
It's funny that last year when rev share was coming down the pike, Ben Mckee said on Swain's show "There will be tough decisions made, and I don't think the "Everything school" moniker will survive the rev share implementation."

A year later we have rev share, and lost the best coach on campus.
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Lost perhaps the best college baseball coach in the country....... It's so unfortunate - we just witnessed the very best that Tennessee baseball can be and I believe that Tony Vitello was going to provide even greater results at TN but for the nonsense from DW with the revenue share garbage.............
 
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zjcvols said:
That is what is frustrating me is that people keep thinking his relationship with DW is the main factor for him leaving, or that DW was pushing Tony out the door. Neither of that is true.

While I'm sure DW is not exactly the most pleasant human being to work with, I think people are not considering that TV is absolutely no walk in the park either. This is the same man that confronted his old boss over a recruiting incident that happened a year ago in public after a baseball game that delved into a shouting match.
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Tony's no peach as an employee, I am sure. He is strong-willed to be certain. The biggest issue is that Danny White is not emotionally invested in any of this. He's a bean counter and cares only about the bottom line. He admitted he had no relationship at all with any of the assistant coaches on campus (breaks protocol...lol), and doesn't deal much with head coaches (at least Tony).

Tony's issue with Danny is probably less to do with their personal relationship, which sounds very surface-level, at best, and more about how White runs the AD and specifically his baseball program. Sadly, that is likely a preview of how MLB organizations are run and he'll not be any happier in SF, especially if he isn't winning.
 
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tn4elvis said:
Danny’s job is to make money for the university. He also made Tony the highest paid coach in college baseball plus renovated a stadium for 103 million dollars. So for people to say that he didn’t support Tony or the baseball team is simply not true. I love Tony and hope he kills it in the bigs but saying he didn’t get support is simply not true.
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Athletic directors are charged with turning a profit vs. putting successful programs on the field? You can be profitable while being ****** if you keep your expenses low enough. Think LSU is cutting baseball because it teeters on marginally profitable to in the red, depending on the year?
 
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zjcvols said:
Texas just hired a guy who left for a better opportunity. It happens. I think people do not realize the personality Tony is and why he is taking this job. Sure, you have a fair point about the AD, but I think even if the relationship between Tony and DW is awesome, he's going to take this chance.

Also, I think it's completely unfair to assume everything is because of DW for the relationship when we have seen Tony is not an easy personality to deal with.
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You and I agree and are probably in the minority in this thread on this. However, there is a bone I'll throw to the "this is all DW's fault" crowd...

There are 2 big egos and personalities in this situation. IF you had to pick which guy needs to back down and check the ego in any given situation, and "both" isn't an option, then it needs to be the AD. Fans are ultimately not paying to watch the AD work; the coach is the straw stirring the drink (especially in this case, since DW didn't hire him). The coach is the show pony.
 
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Bigorangefaninga said:
Do you think they would have even be asked by the idiot that hired TV in the first place? Money has went through the roof since DW was brought on, that is one of his jobs, same way fata$$ Fulmer sat on his rear-end and ended up hiring Jeremy Pruitt who couldn’t put a whole sentence together!
Also again, are you to dumb to know that even with all the success the baseball program has had, they still lost 2.3 million last year? So either you huge baseball fans just aren’t putting your money where your mouth is, OR the ROI isn’t there for the sport. That doesn’t even take into account the 100+ million to upgrade the stadium! So your love for TV speaks volumes when you don’t give enough to actually make the sport at least neutral in revenue and spending!
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While I agree baseball is a revenue losing sport but so is Lady Vols basketball that DW seems to love and wants to see be successful.
 
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All in all read pretty much every post since this started. I think Tony got a once in a lifetime opportunity and decided to take it. I also think it was a tough decision. Also believe DW was doing pretty everything he could do in reason but the demands were just too much highest paid coach and over 100 million renovation was definitely a big jump on a non profitable sport for 99% of the teams. I think Tony would have gotten it there but just wasn't patient enough to wait. Will miss him more than any coach in my 50 years of being a VOLUNTEER fanatic .
 
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cncchris33 said:
Tony's no peach as an employee, I am sure. He is strong-willed to be certain. The biggest issue is that Danny White is not emotionally invested in any of this. He's a bean counter and cares only about the bottom line. He admitted he had no relationship at all with any of the assistant coaches on campus (breaks protocol...lol), and doesn't deal much with head coaches (at least Tony).

Tony's issue with Danny is probably less to do with their personal relationship, which sounds very surface-level, at best, and more about how White runs the AD and specifically his baseball program. Sadly, that is likely a preview of how MLB organizations are run and he'll not be any happier in SF, especially if he isn't winning.
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If TV had a great relationship with DW, do you think he would have told SF to take a hike?
 
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cncchris33 said:
Tony's no peach as an employee, I am sure. He is strong-willed to be certain. The biggest issue is that Danny White is not emotionally invested in any of this. He's a bean counter and cares only about the bottom line. He admitted he had no relationship at all with any of the assistant coaches on campus (breaks protocol...lol), and doesn't deal much with head coaches (at least Tony).

Tony's issue with Danny is probably less to do with their personal relationship, which sounds very surface-level, at best, and more about how White runs the AD and specifically his baseball program. Sadly, that is likely a preview of how MLB organizations are run and he'll not be any happier in SF, especially if he isn't winning.
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I actually found some of Danny’s answers today to be concerning for reasons about more than just baseball. It was basically a peel-back-the-curtain moment into how Danny runs his department and it was a bit shocking to learn some of the details.
 
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05_never_again said:
You and I agree and are probably in the minority in this thread on this. However, there is a bone I'll throw to the "this is all DW's fault" crowd...

There are 2 big egos and personalities in this situation. IF you had to pick which guy needs to back down and check the ego in any given situation, and "both" isn't an option, then it needs to be the AD. Fans are ultimately not paying to watch the AD work; the coach is the straw stirring the drink (especially in this case, since DW didn't hire him). The coach is the show pony.
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I agree. I'd also agree if you're to the point where you admit publicly your administrative assistant was your point man for a national title winning coach in a top 5 NCAA sport, the relationship shouldn't get to that point whether it's more on Tony or DW that is' deteriorating.
 
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I think it’s telling that Elander didn’t get the interim title. He may wind up getting the position but it tells me that DW is looking to go outside with the hire. Frank holds it together for a year, retires (he’s 68 soon), Elander moves on and DW brings in his guy. JMO
 
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05_never_again said:
If TV was leaving Tennessee for any other college job, or for an MLB job like the Colorado Rockies, then DW would likely deserve the vitriol he is receiving.

Personally, I can't pin much of this at all on DW, even if he had a poor relationship with TV, because the job offer in question was to manage a premier MLB franchise. TV is taking this job even if he and DW were brothers.

The offer TV got is like the premier coach in college football being offered an NFL job like the Pittsburgh Steelers or Green Bay Packers.
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I've said multiple times that this wasn't all to do with Tony v Danny. But it wasn't a non-factor, either. And those weren't the only two factors. He loves Tennessee...he was truly torn. If it were all about just the prestige and honor of being offered to manage an MLB team, he'd have had this buttoned up this weekend and already in SF with a new black hat on.
 
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Vols1966 said:
I think it’s telling that Elander didn’t get the interim title. He may wind up getting the position but it tells me that DW is looking to go outside with the hire. Frank holds it together for a year, retires (he’s 68 soon), Elander moves on and DW brings in his guy. JMO
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If we do this, I hope every single season ticket holder backs out. For the record I don't see DW doing this.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I've said multiple times that this wasn't all to do with Tony v Danny. But it wasn't a non-factor, either. And those weren't the only two factors. He loves Tennessee...he was truly torn. If it were all about just the prestige and honor of being offered to manage an MLB team, he'd have had this buttoned up this weekend and already in SF with a new black hat on.
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Ultimately, I think it was a non-factor in the context of TV being offered the Giants job.

If TV left Tennessee for any other college program, or for a bad MLB franchise, then I'd be right there with the crowd pinning all or most of this on DW.

If DW and TV had a bad relationship, ultimately I think that is both of their faults, although as I said in my previous post if it is up to one of them to be the bigger person and back down, then that's the AD's job. For multiple reasons.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
I actually found some of Danny’s answers today to be concerning for reasons about more than just baseball. It was basically a peel-back-the-curtain moment into how Danny runs his department and it was a bit shocking to learn some of the details.
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Yep, lots of concern to be taken from his own words on more levels than just baseball.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I hate to answer a question with a question, but If it were such a no-brainer, why has it taken 5 days to accept?
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TV was always going to take the SF job, but I don't think that meant it was easy for him to leave.

TV also has an agent (Jimmy Sexton) who is infamous for leaving nothing on the table for his clients.
 
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