Do you consider Canada an ally?

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n_huffhines said:
60/40 is the cost split of NORAD. My understanding of the convo is we were talking about whether or not they are an "ungrateful dependent." The supposed inequity of NORAD seems to be the only understandable (to me) reason* one might consider them a dependent. Maybe you weren't talking about NORAD at all.

*somebody mentioned their dependence on our trade, but we're dependent on it too. Trade is not a zero sum game, and we are not a dependent even if we are dependent, and the same goes for them.
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Understood. I think we can see where we got crossed up. For you, the convo was about NORAD and for me it was more all encompassing.

happy to continue to discuss if needed.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
I find it useless to have good faith arguments with people that voted for this man. This is the man that they trust.
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I find that same useless faith in those that can post pictures. If you can’t click the button right, not sure you know politics.
 
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hog88 said:
Ok, yes Canada would survive just like your kid would probably survive without you supporting them.
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Again, dependence and "a dependent" are two different things. You are saying Canada is "a dependent" of America because of trade. My neighborhood runs a trade deficit with the grocery store. They are dependent on us. They are not "a dependent." By virtue of the fact that it's a trade partnership, they are not a dependent even if they are dependent on trade. Do you get it?

Or do you see your kids, the grocery store, and Canada all the same?
 
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hog88 said:
Ok, yes Canada would survive just like your kid would probably survive without you supporting them.
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I think you're overplaying your hand here. Do they benefit from being the US's next door neighbor? Of course they do, and it is smart for them to have oriented their economy around that fact. Do the freeload to a degree on the security umbrella? Probably, but again for a long time we wanted it that way. Especially Europe.

I also don't think they'd be a third-world hellhole if the US wasn't on their border though. Their economy would be oriented completely differently, but it isn't like they have absolutely nothing going for them otherwise.
 
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HeuperDrive said:
Why did everybody in this thread just brush off the fact this guy called Canadian cities “basically Chinese” because, I can only assume, they have a lot of Asians in them? That’s one of the most absurd things I’ve ever seen on this forum, and that’s saying a lot.

anyway, it’s absolutely hilarious how the MAGA crowd just immediately decided Canada is a bunch of ungrateful commies because Trump said so. And then, they turn around and say it’s the people who criticize Trump who are brainwashed 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Canadians have died alongside American troops since 1917. They were one of the first countries to state their full support for us after 9/11. Yes. They are our allies. And for all my years on this planet, I never thought I’d see the day this would be called into question.
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Assuming makes an ass of u & me, but I shouldn't expect much from an uneducated emoji-slangin' dipshit on the internet that can only think along one vector.

Chinese investors own a ton- sometimes almost all- of the important real estate and infrastructure in some areas (read: cities) in Canada, usually to the detriment of the actual Canadian locals. While across the nation the overall % is low (based on ownership by openly "Chinese" investors, not digging into shell companies or partnerships or what have you that are mostly Chinese owned), certain cities are dominated by their investment. This has been going on for a while now, and I especially remember it getting bad about a decade ago. More recently, a general lack of Canadian foreign investment restrictions has also let the Chinese start making huge investments in industries like extraction up there.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Assuming makes an ass of u & me, but I shouldn't expect much from an uneducated emoji-slangin' dipshit on the internet that can only think along one vector.

Chinese investors own a ton- sometimes almost all- of the important real estate and infrastructure in some areas (read: cities) in Canada, usually to the detriment of the actual Canadian locals. While across the nation the overall % is low (based on ownership by openly "Chinese" investors, not digging into shell companies or partnerships or what have you that are mostly Chinese owned), certain cities are dominated by their investment. This has been going on for a while now, and I especially remember it getting bad about a decade ago. More recently, a general lack of Canadian foreign investment restrictions has also let the Chinese start making huge investments in industries like extraction up there.
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Did a quick google. Only about 11% of all of Canada is privately owned, various levels of government own the other 89%. BUT 15% of what is privately owned is owned by foreigners.
 
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hog88 said:
Did a quick google. Only about 11% of all of Canada is privately owned, various levels of government own the other 89%. BUT 15% of what is privately owned is owned by foreigners.
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That's the issue- the foreign ownership number in extraction and infrastructure is ticking up, and drastically in the last few (3ish) years.

You know I've seen firsthand what happens when a country (in my case, Peru) allows this particular kind of investment in its critical infrastructure. It never goes well for the non-Chinese. They're legitimately trying to build an empire, Roman-style, with vassal states and control of critical economic drivers. Seeing that for what it is is racist in this day and age, though, I guess.

PS: they're even doing it to us here.
 
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hog88 said:
Did a quick google. Only about 11% of all of Canada is privately owned, various levels of government own the other 89%. BUT 15% of what is privately owned is owned by foreigners.
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Oh, the other thing causing headaches here (and abroad) is that while we all see in very obvious consumer products how China has overtaken manufacturing (subsidizing industry, artificially cheap labor, fuxxing around with their currency), they've done the same in other products (like power generation equipment). This is the grand headache in a lot of countries with less complex procurement laws and systems, where everything is purchased "lowest price technically acceptable" rather than in any kind of lifecycle/best-value determination. Increasingly, as US-based private and local government procurement people are forced to think short-term profits and immediate budgetary goals, they're buying on this LPTA model, which means we end up with cheap (or backdoored) Chinese crap running American infrastructure.

Even where we have to be Made in America/TAA-compliant Chinese stuff is getting into the supply chains because American businesses are chasing short-term profit- they repackage or relabel here in the US and sell to the government, then when they have issues, rebrand and move along. There's virtually zero oversight or supply chain transparency in this stuff, and little interest by the government in doing something about it, and they've screwed their industrial base so long that they're desperate to use whoever pops up.
 
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hog88 said:
I consider them an ungrateful dependent more than an ally. Same for Europe.
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Europe is a mix bag because some of the European nations have really helped us out a lot. I don't see UK as ungrateful or most of Eastern Europe.

Many of them fought alongside of us in Iraq and Afghanistan for example.

When I think of ungrateful Europeans, I primarily think of two nations: France and Germany. Sometimes the Benelux as well.

Denmark has been pretty crappy about this Greenland stuff as well.
 
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