Do you consider Canada an ally?

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EasternVol said:
That defense umbrella is for missiles coming from the Russians and Chicoms, the big majority of which would be on course for targets in the US. They'd most limely have no reason to attack Canada unless they were attacking us too.
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It's not just missiles. Come on.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The 60/40 split cost of security.

I do not make a habit of looking for reasons to feel like I'm in an inequitable deal. My buddy asked to split my youtubeTV bill with me and put him on the account. You get 3 devices at once to stream on, so I told him I'll pay $45/month and he can pay $35/month and if there is ever a conflict where we're using 4 devices (him 2 and me 2), they jump off one of them. This almost never happens. I'm probably getting the worse of the deal, now that I'm thinking about it. I don't care. I don't dwell on it. I harbor no resentment towards him. That's a weird way to approach life. I save $35/month. That's how I look at it. No idea why we're looking for reasons to feel this way about Canada, especially when NORAD almost definitely benefits us more.
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Good explanation. This may be the crux of the error in either my use, or your understanding, of the term "inequity".
You've mentioned NORAD a couple of times now. For clarity, I never mentioned NORAD as a factor.

Can we explore 60/40 a bit? In my hypothetical, I didn't dictate the cost of security your neighbor pays or what you pay (if any). Is the 60/40 related to costs and benefits you see with Canada?
 
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Their only export I care about is ducks and geese. Also the Canadians I have met were super passive aggressive.

Screw em
 
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McDad said:
Good explanation. This may be the crux of the error in either my use, or your understanding, of the term "inequity".
You've mentioned NORAD a couple of times now. For clarity, I never mentioned NORAD as a factor.

Can we explore 60/40 a bit? In my hypothetical, I didn't dictate the cost of security your neighbor pays or what you pay (if any). Is the 60/40 related to costs and benefits you see with Canada?
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60/40 is the cost split of NORAD. My understanding of the convo is we were talking about whether or not they are an "ungrateful dependent." The supposed inequity of NORAD seems to be the only understandable (to me) reason* one might consider them a dependent. Maybe you weren't talking about NORAD at all.

*somebody mentioned their dependence on our trade, but we're dependent on it too. Trade is not a zero sum game, and we are not a dependent even if we are dependent, and the same goes for them.
 
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n_huffhines said:
60/40 is the cost split of NORAD. My understanding of the convo is we were talking about whether or not they are an "ungrateful dependent." The supposed inequity of NORAD seems to be the only understandable (to me) reason* one might consider them a dependent. Maybe you weren't talking about NORAD at all.

*somebody mentioned their dependence on our trade, but we're dependent on it too. Trade is not a zero sum game, and we are not a dependent even if we are dependent, and the same goes for them.
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We are not dependent on trade from Canada, our economy would be negatively impacted if all trade between us stopped tomorrow but they would be devastated.
 
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LouderVol said:
I doubt they screwed themselves that much. they were still able to develop over that time frame, and as you pointed out its been long enough where its effects should have already been seen if they were screwing themselves.

they put an artificial cap on their economy, but they had to do something to curtail the population crisis they were staring at back then. and clearly since they have still added 500 million more people over that time, it hasn't crushed their growth.
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Even if they didn't have demographic problems, their economy is entirely dependent on the continued maintenance of a global security dynamic (namely, the US Navy patrolling the world's oceans) that they have no control over. And as we've seen over the last decade plus (particularly under Trump), the US is getting less interested by the day in continuing the maintain that dynamic.

They are not in a particularly advantageous position geopolitically, despite what is commonly believed.
 
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LouderVol said:
I doubt they screwed themselves that much. they were still able to develop over that time frame, and as you pointed out its been long enough where its effects should have already been seen if they were screwing themselves.

they put an artificial cap on their economy, but they had to do something to curtail the population crisis they were staring at back then. and clearly since they have still added 500 million more people over that time, it hasn't crushed their growth.
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The problems they will have to overcome bc of this policy haven't really even hit yet.

Aging population with not enough of younger population to support them

More people retiring with not nearly enough to replace them will lead to lower economic production.

Hard to "catch" back up population wise as their is such a huge sex imbalance. Birth rates.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
You realize, China and Russia have both been preparing to cripple the US. They can do so without firing one shot.
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What’s taking so long? Is our technology dial up AOL? Liberals need a boogeyman.

And to think, Michelle Obama doesn’t lose sleep over China or Russia.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Their only export I care about is ducks and geese. Also the Canadians I have met were super passive aggressive.

Screw em
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They had a good run of comedians in the 80’s
John Candy
Martin Short
Jim Carey
Mike Meyers

South Park in the 90’s made Canada humorous again.
 
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volfanhill said:
The problems they will have to overcome bc of this policy haven't really even hit yet.

Aging population with not enough of younger population to support them

More people retiring with not nearly enough to replace them will lead to lower economic production.

Hard to "catch" back up population wise as their is such a huge sex imbalance. Birth rates.
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I don't think they will catch back up, I agree its not possible. but I also think it isn't needed. I don't think its screwed them. They have the centralized economy and government to make it happen. most of their economy is smoke and mirrors to begin with, so any drop we see will be controlled.

their pop went from 900m to 1.4b, adding 500m, which is 55% growth.
our pop went from 226m to 335m, adding 109m, which is 48% growth.
France and the UK have grown by about 25%, germany has grown by like 5%, Russia has lost population.

they are behind most of the "developing" world's population growth, but they still ahead of the western growth trends.
 
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ButchPlz said:
They have entire cities that have basically become Chinese, so is it shocking where they align?
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Why did everybody in this thread just brush off the fact this guy called Canadian cities “basically Chinese” because, I can only assume, they have a lot of Asians in them? That’s one of the most absurd things I’ve ever seen on this forum, and that’s saying a lot.

anyway, it’s absolutely hilarious how the MAGA crowd just immediately decided Canada is a bunch of ungrateful commies because Trump said so. And then, they turn around and say it’s the people who criticize Trump who are brainwashed 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Canadians have died alongside American troops since 1917. They were one of the first countries to state their full support for us after 9/11. Yes. They are our allies. And for all my years on this planet, I never thought I’d see the day this would be called into question.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Their only export I care about is ducks and geese. Also the Canadians I have met were super passive aggressive.

Screw em
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Judging by your post, I understand why they were passive aggressive with you. I've never had issues with Canadians, but I'm not entitled either.
 
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hog88 said:
We are not dependent on trade from Canada, our economy would be negatively impacted if all trade between us stopped tomorrow but they would be devastated.
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I have no idea what you mean by "dependent." Would the country cave in on itself and disappear without Canadian trade? No. But lots of Americans depend on trade with Canada, even if you'd survive without it. Canada would survive without us, too.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I have no idea what you mean by "dependent." Would the country cave in on itself and disappear without Canadian trade? No. But lots of Americans depend on trade with Canada, even if you'd survive without it. Canada would survive without us, too.
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Ok, yes Canada would survive just like your kid would probably survive without you supporting them.
 
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