Recruiting Football Talk VIII

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KB5252 said:
I do not like this aspect of our offense at all, and I've never read or heard an explanation of why half the field is dead for most of our pass plays.

If someone has an answer is really like to know/understand why.
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Resting because we are only playing a certain number of receivers.
 
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IASIPNeyland said:
That is just smart football. If we win enough games, the most talented players will come here. Those players will get drafted and recruits won't care. Heupel got Cook, Hooker, and Milton drafted and made all of his UCF players look like Michael Vick. He can get and coach QBs. Maybe bringing in a renowned QB coach will help, too.
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I don't have a problem with our system, although I feel that he will need to make some adjustments bc teams are starting to defend it better. We need some quality NFL players to make the doubts about our system go away.
 
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Glitch said:
When he played Clemson and didn't have a great game, he was playing a much better caliber defense with a much lower caliber offense support system around him. Not a fair comparison IMO. Will he come out and set the world on fire? Maybe and maybe not. Will he cone out and flop bigly? Maybe and maybe not. But I don't think it is fair to use that game as the baseline for how he might do when he has an SEC offense on his side going against and SEC defense on the other side.
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As comparison, Cade Klubnik looked good until he played against Tennessee…

Not really fair to compare the two, but I wanted to bash Clemson a little. 😂
 
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volbeast33 said:
The Verr and Shoot has never produced an above average NFL player. The closest was RG3
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I could be misremembering, but I don’t recall a lot of teams with elite talent running this type offense.

So maybe it isn’t that the system doesn’t get them prepared, but rather the teams that have traditionally ran this type system do so to mitigate a talent disadvantage, so they never had the NFL talent on the roster to develop? I guess we will see in a few years how things shake out for our guys
 
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Vols410 said:
Imo, the system works so well at the college level that it often makes the players look better than they actually are and NFL teams draft them higher than they should go. There's this perception that players that come out of the system aren't any good in the NFL but it might just be that the players were never NFL caliber but the Veer and Shoot made them look really good.
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Lol I should have read further before I replied. You said it better than I did.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I agree with that but players concerns about it not getting players ready for the NFL are valid. Passing offense relies more on pre set reads, limited route tree for the receivers, and rbs going against limited guys in the box. We need some guys to break through.
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Sadly, Nico was supposed to be the guy to break through. That was my conjecture when we went after him. Maybe if he had been an orphan, it would have worked. We need some guys to break through. Yes.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I agree with that but players concerns about it not getting players ready for the NFL are valid. Passing offense relies more on pre set reads, limited route tree for the receivers, and rbs going against limited guys in the box. We need some guys to break through.
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I get that too, but If player A didn’t learn a full route tree in college, why would that preclude him from doing so in the NFL?

So to me, if the talent is there, no matter where they went to college it will eventually show up in the NFL. Now, the argument of draft position being lower holds more water imo
 
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BigSteve09 said:
What the scouts are telling each other, and coaches, and apparently the media is that the Veer N Shoot QBs, WRs, RBs, TEs, OL may very well be great NFL prospects, but they (scouts) still have some finding out to do. Whereas players from other systems have more "NFL-ready" reps on tape, and presumably more "NFL-ready" training/prep under their belts. The players from this system will still be drafted on potential, but they are still seen as raw compared to other prospects.
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I can actually see that
 
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BigSteve09 said:
It seems that the prevailing opinion among CFB media personalities and now NFL Draft media personalities (and scouts) is that the Briles' Baylor Veer N Shoot, and now the Heupel/Tennessee variant, do not prepare players on offense for the NFL.

This was said last year when NFL people were evaluating Wright. It's being said this year about Sampson. It had been said about our WRs and QBs in the Draft. The Nico saga for the past two weeks has brought this back out.

This isn't just a few people talking about it. This is being stated so matter-of-factly that it is a foregone conclusion. It even made it to Pardon My Take, which is the most listened to sports podcast. You can't get any more mainstream.

We (UT fans, maybe staff) can dismiss it all we want, but it's out there in a major way. Not just among our conference rivals and opponents on the recruiting trail/portal, NFL scouts are just walking around saying this to anyone that will listen.
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It’s a valid concern, Heupel’s job is to win at Tennessee. But part of that requires elite players and if Tennessee has issues getting them due to the offense then that’s a valid issue
 
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VOLumeS said:
Scary.. Pavia is a ok QB not a Tennessee level QB, Hopefully with better coaching we won't have to ask "why?" So much. You want your QB to be solid decision maker.
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He looks like a way better thrower than Pavia. Pavia is pretty average outside of his toughness and drive. He’s good at improvising but doesn’t have a strong arm or good mechanics. Aguilar has a really good arm and can make all the throws. I’m just worried if he’ll pick up the offense quickly or not.
 
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Midas said:
He looks like a way better thrower than Pavia. Pavia is pretty average outside of his toughness and drive. He’s good at improvising but doesn’t have a strong arm or good mechanics. Aguilar has a really good arm and can make all the throws. I’m just worried if he’ll pick up the offense quickly or not.
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Sounds like you did some film study, i appreciate that.
 
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