Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[knoxvol52]

It seems that the prevailing opinion among CFB media personalities and now NFL Draft media personalities (and scouts) is that the Briles' Baylor Veer N Shoot, and now the Heupel/Tennessee variant, do not prepare players on offense for the NFL.

This was said last year when NFL people were evaluating Wright. It's being said this year about Sampson. It had been said about our WRs and QBs in the Draft. The Nico saga for the past two weeks has brought this back out.

This isn't just a few people talking about it. This is being stated so matter-of-factly that it is a foregone conclusion. It even made it to Pardon My Take, which is the most listened to sports podcast. You can't get any more mainstream.

We (UT fans, maybe staff) can dismiss it all we want, but it's out there in a major way. Not just among our conference rivals and opponents on the recruiting trail/portal, NFL scouts are just walking around saying this to anyone that will listen.

It was a bad sign when DETRIOT signed the retired guy that was coaching high school to be backup QB over a healthy Hendon Hooker...

 

[Jackcrevol]

We are going to run the football 1st.

Aguilar ran alot out of the pistol. Didnt see much PA. The scoot n' shoot or whateves Huepel runs is all based on that.

 

[jasonvol18]

Looks like he goes through his progressions and can hit the open throw downfield. Upgrade.

Definitely. Nico couldn't read a Defense for $hit and we all know he could hit deep throws. Upgrade,no doubt!

 

[Vols410]

The Verr and Shoot has never produced an above average NFL player. The closest was RG3

Imo, the system works so well at the college level that it often makes the players look better than they actually are and NFL teams draft them higher than they should go. There's this perception that players that come out of the system aren't any good in the NFL but it might just be that the players were never NFL caliber but the Veer and Shoot made them look really good.

 

[jasonvol18]

He’s getting $9M because of a QB the guy before him recruited

Still had to develop him. He lost the starting job at Va Tech, so he was coached up.

 

[jakez4ut]

This is the take.

 

[Jackcrevol]

I agree. JG gets a lot of crap from this fan base but the dude gave his all and had heart. There’s not a quarterback in the world that would have succeeded at Tennessee when he was here. I would take him 100/1 over the quitter Nico. Does anyone really think he would have lasted half a season during the time JG was here? He had limitations but he was dealt a horrible hand.

Our lines have been dogwater. When compared to what JG endured? No comparison. JG also had trash OC and coaching.

 

[tyonthefly93]

Guys, all he has to do is throw for 2,400 yards and 19 TD’s to match our QB production from last season. Let’s be honest, it’s not like we’re replacing a All SEC QB. Relax.

 

[jakez4ut]

Another UCLA QB heads for the door:

Report: UCLA QB to enter transfer portal amid Nico Iamaleava, Joey Aguliar drama

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www.on3.com

Wow.

Of course I'm sure this will be used to leverage more out of UCLA.

I don't care how our session winds up... There's virtually no chance this works out well at UCLA. What a **** show.

 

[rockytop25]

 

[knoxvol52]

The #1 ranked Lady Vols softball team host Clemson today at 6:00 p.m. on ESPNU


The #6 ranked baseVols host Lipscomb at 6:00 p.m. on SEC Network+...

 

[jasonvol18]

No, I’m good

He was actually very complimentary of TN and Josh Heupel, while taking shots at Nico and UCLA. Was actually a good listen.

 

[volbeast33]

Imo, the system works so well at the college level that it often makes the players look better than they actually are and NFL teams draft them higher than they should go. There's this perception that players that come out of the system aren't any good in the NFL but it might just be that the players were never NFL caliber but the Veer and Shoot made them look really good.

I agree with that but players concerns about it not getting players ready for the NFL are valid. Passing offense relies more on pre set reads, limited route tree for the receivers, and rbs going against limited guys in the box. We need some guys to break through.

 

[jakez4ut]

interesting.............????

Bama for me.....School over player/person

Yeah I never 'hated' ht, and I don't hate Nico. In both cases there's outside issues that created the situation. That said, I didn't not enjoy the tears after the 22 Bama game.

But yeah...I hate Bama.

 

[Jimmy Football]

The #1 ranked Lady Vols softball team host Clemson today at 6:00 p.m. on ESPNU


The #6 ranked baseVols host Lipscomb at 6:00 p.m. on SEC Network+...

Just realized that three of the five big sports have been ranked #1 this year.

 

[jasonvol18]

App State's entire season was a dumpster fire. Staff that was clearly getting canned. QBR often says as much about the team as it does the QB. Aguilar was the only thing they ever had going on offense.

And having to deal with moved home games because of Helene. They get a pass for last year. All their lives were completely turned upside down.

 

[volbeast33]

interesting.............????

Bama for me.....School over player/person

Its hard to hate guys that leave who were marginal here. Now if PM had left like either of these two idiots. We would have burnt it down.

 

[jasonvol18]

If karma is real Aguilar is going to have a great year. I also think our team will welcome him with open arms.

I said this same thing last night. Aguilar got screwed by UCLA. TN and Heupel get the props for sending Nico on his way, then we get the praise of bringing in a kid that got screwed by UCLA. If this works out for us, talk about the stories and great publicity we'd get.

 

[jasonvol18]

Guys around here won't back a mower off the trailer for less than $60

Same here and you're lucky if you get one for $60. But, well worth it! It would take me 2 hours to push mine and the hills would be a nightmare.

 

[jasonvol18]

I really don't know what to expect from Aguilar. He is at least quality depth. It may happen that he blossoms and eats in Heup's system. He may be a good back up in case Chase Elliot breaks his leg or he may be the diamond in the rough that we have pulled from the dirt track circuit takes the wheel of his first fast ride and never looks back.

I'm hoping Karma wins out!

 

[rikberry31]

I'm hoping Karma wins out!

Never let it be said that, "God doesn't have a sense of humor."

 

[VolGee4]

It seems that the prevailing opinion among CFB media personalities and now NFL Draft media personalities (and scouts) is that the Briles' Baylor Veer N Shoot, and now the Heupel/Tennessee variant, do not prepare players on offense for the NFL.

This was said last year when NFL people were evaluating Wright. It's being said this year about Sampson. It had been said about our WRs and QBs in the Draft. The Nico saga for the past two weeks has brought this back out.

This isn't just a few people talking about it. This is being stated so matter-of-factly that it is a foregone conclusion. It even made it to Pardon My Take, which is the most listened to sports podcast. You can't get any more mainstream.

We (UT fans, maybe staff) can dismiss it all we want, but it's out there in a major way. Not just among our conference rivals and opponents on the recruiting trail/portal, NFL scouts are just walking around saying this to anyone that will listen.

Just curious, but how does this affect a running back? In any system, there is a blocking scheme, and the RB hits the hole. The systems are tweaked/changed when new coaches are hired at the NFL level.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Same here and you're lucky if you get one for $60. But, well worth it! It would take me 2 hours to push mine and the hills would be a nightmare.

That's it for me. Between the heat and just the time. I cant justify it.

Last Saturday TCAP preparation for one kid was 2.5 hours...


we were half way done...

 

[BigSteve09]

Just curious, but how does this affect a running back? In any system, there is a blocking scheme, and the RB hits the hole. The systems are tweaked/changed when new coaches are hired at the NFL level.

I am not an NFL Scout, nor am I one of the talking heads.

Their knock was: "The RBs in that system do not face normal defensive boxes"

 

[VolGee4]

I am not an NFL Scout, nor am I one of the talking heads.

Their knock was: "The RBs in that system do not face normal defensive boxes"

Fair. It seems reasonable heads would prevail. I just don't see how a RB is affected by scheme. You have tape to see how he performs between the tackles and in open space.