Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[JCP201]

Believe me, I am NOT a BB fan, and definitely not a Nico fan anymore

and there's nothing I love more than a good old fashioned comeuppance

but this has delayed their fate, at least for a little while

So, they are going to pay Nico what he was asking for? Seriously?

 

[knoxvol52]

My point is this is not remotely the same Bill of a decade ago and Nico is not Brady.

Didn't say Nico was Brady but BB has connections to the League that's all.....waiting for the you're a UNC fan comment....

 

[LaagerVol]

Does anyone kmow what George's high-school senior stars were. Why did the recruiting services knock his ratings down?

From the tape I watched from the O&W game I thought he looked really smooth. To me, he performed head and shoulders above Merklinger. He seems to process the game really well and has a quick release. Also showed very good pocket awareness.

i didn't really follow his recruitment, but I also didn't think there would be a battle for the starting QB position this season. But here we are and now I think this guy is most likely to be our starter..Curious as to what everyone's thoughts are on this possibility?

Ramon Foster was talking about him this morning and he thinks GMac is the real deal and would have been a 5 star if he had camped more.

 

[DD4ME]

Didn't say Nico was Brady but BB has connections to the League that's all.....waiting for the you're a UNC fan comment....

No I totally get some of the positive ("salvaged" maybe better fit) thoughts. I just think it's built on a bed of methane filled garbage. One match and

 

[BigSteve09]

So, they are going to pay Nico what he was asking for? Seriously?

I have no insight into this....

my speculation is that he is not going to get 4M from anyone, and now Nico/fam is in a tight spot, with the whole carton of eggs heading straight for their face

luckily for them, UNC and BB need a QB

so, Nico side takes the same or less than what they would have gotten here, but they save face by getting with BB

door still open to have a good season and represent himself well. if so, he will have the same NFL opportunities that he would have had before this whole situation blew up in their face

he would have been best to just stay put here and excel in the system he was poised to soar in

unfortunately they gambled poorly and were nosediving towards absolute failure

I think the message from UNC/Bill is "I'm not paying you that but I'll give you a place to land, and if you play well, I will exhaust all of my resources and connections to make sure you go pro"

not the perfect scenario for either side at all, but a scenario that can work for both sides, given the other options for Nico continue to look less and less promising

 

[rikberry31]

I’m not worried about it. Kid never actually knew the offense anyways why the heck does everyone think we went so slow.

Nico never had it in between the ears.

It is not unusual for a young quarterback to struggle with reads and progressions and Nico did that last season. It may have rectified itself this season, who knows, but a lackluster Spring may have "forced" dad to pull the stunt.

 

[DD4ME]

Nico's out her posting L's at levels never seen.

 

[LaagerVol]

I was thinking last night, I actually feel kind of bad for Nico in all of this. He bears his own responsibility and isn't without guilt, for sure, but at the same time, your family's ways are normal to you, even if they aren't normal. He's starting probably the first season of realizing that there has to be a different way than the toxic control, lies and manipulation that he's been presented as 'normal'. And it's a hard/expensive way to learn.

You have to hate seeing so much promise getting flushed.

This ^^^^ at the end of the day his life is his responsibility, but at 20 years old he hasn’t figured out just how toxic and abnormal the behavior of his dad is. He will either learn from this and be better or continue in the same behavior/environment and dad will always make things more difficult for Nico than they should be. Besides being overbearing (massive understatement), evidently dad doesn’t have good common sense or a rational thought process.

 

[DD4ME]

I have no insight into this....

my speculation is that he is not going to get 4M from anyone, and now Nico/fam is in a tight spot, with the whole carton of eggs heading straight for their face

luckily for them, UNC and BB need a QB

so, Nico side takes the same or less than what they would have gotten here, but they save face by getting with BB

door still open to have a good season and represent himself well. if so, he will have the same NFL opportunities that he would have had before this whole situation blew up in their face

he would have been best to just stay put here and excel in the system he was poised to soar in

unfortunately they gambled poorly and were nosediving towards absolute failure

I think the message from UNC/Bill is "I'm not paying you that but I'll give you a place to land, and if you play well, I will exhaust all of my resources and connections to make sure you go pro"

not the perfect scenario for either side at all, but a scenario that can work for both sides, given the other options for Nico continue to look less and less promising

Fair - like Kiffen landing with Saban.

 

[Jack Burton]

Damn..........I still find it hard to believe there isn't a landing spot for him in college. There are some teams that really need an experienced start at QB

I think we’ll find out later this week where he’s going. Plenty of teams will overlook family issues if it helps them win some games.

 

[BigSteve09]

Fair - like Kiffen landing with Saban.

Excellent example, IMO

 

[Enki_Amenra]

What a sh!t show!
Been absent from VN for quite a while. Wanted to enjoy my sons sr season and work with as much as possible on recruitment, finding a college and enjoy his time at home. After dealing with recruiting, I began to have a true disdain for college football and the landscape of where it sits currently!!
My son finished his sr year with 2K yards on O, 1st team all state, and several honors. Found out after the season, he played the 2nd half of season on a broken fibula, tough kid!
He ended up with 14 offers to play in college, d2/3, couple naia, and couple of fcs offers. He committed to Glenville state over the winter on a nearly full scholarship. Very proud of his accomplishments, and they want him to compete right away, no RS. They’re also building a new $40+M football facility!!
What we learned during recruiting was incredibly, heart breaking, for lack of a better term. Had coaches tell us they won’t take kids from WV. Had coaches completely ignore him after putting on clinics to go gush over a kid that fell down 6 times running pads. Found out crootin is very “black and white”…
The 3 fbs schools we had the most traction with all had HC changes, Marshall, WVU, and Ohio. All hit the portal hard, flipped rosters, and the traction we had was lost. Marshall even visited him, essentially, suggested to stay in touch, they were very aware of him, but needed game day ready players.
Trying to keep it short here, but I have seen several kids hang their cleats up that easily would have gone to the next level 5+ years ago! Mine nearly did as well. Sad what football has become!!
Then, you throw **** like the Nico deal out there, and mediocre kids making 2.5M a year want MORE?!? Gtfoh!!! Pathetic, when’s there are literally 1000’s of kids that just want a chance!
Rant over. Hope Vols find their path and have a successful year!

If anyone is bored at work today and wants to see his sr film. 6’0, 190, 4.51 laser at 17 yo.

Very good. People that never played don't realize how tough it is to get a single offer. It's tough for most players to just get some financial aid. Getting more than a 50/50 ride is solid.

Glenville is a great choice. It seems like the new structure is to get some college game experience and then transfer up if you can or even want to.

It's a huge opportunity to just get his foot in the door and have a chance at the next level. Hope he does great things. That "discounted" degree will give him a big boost on a good life after football.

 

[LaagerVol]

I would not say I feel very bad for Nico. Trusting your parents and doing what they say is not some unforgivable sin. Now whatever idiot told him to skip practice and he listened, that's on him. Very hard to come back from that one from an image perspective. Nico has been around team sports long enough to know that.

But the family of sociopaths angle... cmon'. It is much simpler than that. A polynesian family with zero ties to the area saw East TN as a check to be cashed. They did not care about the people here, the university, the football program as a whole, nothing. We saw the exact same thing happen with TooToo.

What you called "toxic control, lies, and manipulation" I would simply call a group of incompetent people barely qualified to tie their own shoes play-acting as agents. And they screwed up their kid's image. Not because of some Machiavellian angle, but because they were out over their skiis.

Eh, you can tell by dads tweets that he has some issues

 

[Orange_Crush]

If I was in my 70's and had a 20 something year old GF, I would be "whooped" as individuals call it as much as the next one.

OMG. Dealing with a 20 year old girl (especially one with with daddy issues)? No thanks. Hard pass.

 

[Checker_the_Shire]

My thoughts - 2 desperate ships headed toward 1st year iceberg. Belichek proving he sold all his high ground when getting a 20 year old girlfriend and sliding to college.

I just hope we’re ready for when that SOB tries to poach Matthews.

 

[SpringBokVol]

“This baseball team just isn’t that good”

I know! The seem "lost" ... I hope they figure it out soon.

 

[Adam Sandler]

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

This dude ain’t from Knoxville don’t let him claim that

 

[Orange_Crush]

I have no insight into this....

my speculation is that he is not going to get 4M from anyone, and now Nico/fam is in a tight spot, with the whole carton of eggs heading straight for their face

luckily for them, UNC and BB need a QB

so, Nico side takes the same or less than what they would have gotten here, but they save face by getting with BB

door still open to have a good season and represent himself well. if so, he will have the same NFL opportunities that he would have had before this whole situation blew up in their face

he would have been best to just stay put here and excel in the system he was poised to soar in

unfortunately they gambled poorly and were nosediving towards absolute failure

I think the message from UNC/Bill is "I'm not paying you that but I'll give you a place to land, and if you play well, I will exhaust all of my resources and connections to make sure you go pro"

not the perfect scenario for either side at all, but a scenario that can work for both sides, given the other options for Nico continue to look less and less promising

I would be amazed if they got the same as they'd have gotten here. They had ZERO leverage.

 

[drylo]

“This baseball team just isn’t that good”

If you’re not first, you’re last.

 

[BigSteve09]

I would be amazed if they got the same as they'd have gotten here. They had ZERO leverage.

I agree. I think whoever gets Nico will get him on a bargain bin deal

wondering if someone finally got through to their camp on 1-year decisions vs 5-year decisions

the hit his potential NFL earnings took could be massive, and his PR/marketability took a monster hit

seeking an extra 1-2M for 2025 could have cost him 10-20M through 2030.

Grandpa Bill rehab camp is about the only option they have, and he's holding a Nico coupon

 

[Enki_Amenra]

No mowing for me for a while. Having the first of my hips replaced on Thursday, so I will be unable to complete my lawn care duties and responsibilities. Good news is, crocs are not forbidden in the recovery phase.



<insert joke>

Hip replacement? Those bull riding days of your youth are coming back to collect their due.

 

[BigSteve09]

 

[JT3]

Nico better hope they also buy a Dylan Sampson and the 85 bears defense.

Have you seen their schedule? If he were to go there he may win the damn Heisman. They play no one except for Clemson @ home.

 

[peaygolf]

Is this true????

 

[Enki_Amenra]

7 wins

I don't care if we only win 7. I'd rather win 7 with loyal players and coaches than be held hostage by Pre-madonna's for an extra win or 2, maybe 3.